Mesaba

[Mesabi Miner]

Big Bad Billy P is reporting the first 4 CRJ's will be going to MSP. The next 10 will be DTW and MEM will come after that...

MM

 

[afpilotselect]

Does mesaba base their new hires seniorty number off of age? I hope it isn't the last two of your social #.

 

[xjgearbtch]

They go by age

 

[xjhawk]

i am starting a rumor (I would think its wrong) that NWA will not pay extra for the FMS system on the new CRJ 900's. Their reasoning is that it would cost millions to update the electronic flight cases, so the first ten are not going to have the electronic flight cases, so that also means the GPS is de-activated. The crj will be flying VOR to VOR just like the Saab.

The second Rumor is that Mesaba is so desperate for pilots that they are buying Crystal shamrock which closed down because of bankruptcy. They will staff the defuct flight school with a few instructors, and offer descounted rates for students willing to sign long term employment contracts. They will offer a 152 to a CRJ 900 program. They are thinking of capitolizing on the success of the movie "300", their slogan will me from 0-300 flight hours you will be in a crj!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I heard our first 900 will be delayed in delivery so it can goto Paris for the airshow.

And from zee left, in a low-pay pass, is zee Mesaba CRJ-900. Ooh la la!

 

[profit]

Bill P says there are going to be equipped with a level 2 (?) electronic flight bag.

They will get what they deserve with staffing. I just heard from someone that since the bankruptcy started, we lost 353 pilots (37%) of the workforce. And they just keep leaving!

 

[BoilerAV8TR]

Well, unlike you, and few others, airline flying is not EVERYTHING to every body. It's a great opportunity, but like I said, it's not everything. Let's say someone is already flying a jet and making a lot more than the start F/O salary (this person has flown a turbo-prop as well, few different models), but wants to experience airline flying and would rather fly a jet, then I say there's nothing wrong with it.

Seniority might means a lot to you but it's not EVERTHING to others. Especially for someone who has two parallel careers. I have a friend who has just bypassed captain upgrade at one of the regionals as he want to focus on his other career while enjoying, as one of the most senior FOs, best schedules and benefits.

I have heard also that some pilots have bypassed Saab340 for CRJ-900 and if the choice given, there's nothing wrong with deciding one way or the other. One of the guys who bypassed the first Saab340 class simply did it because his family is in MSP and he knows that the CRJ choice would base him in MSP and the Saab340 class of 4/23-24 could bring about the possibility of MEM or DTW base. He'd rather wait few months to be based in MSP for QOL then start an early class. In fact he says that he'd rather take a Saab340 out of MSP then CRJ-900 out of DTW.

Comprende?

Quite a myopic view of the airline industry. Anyone taking a new hire regional FO job as a hobby has a mental problem to begin with. If your other "parallel" career is lucrative enough to allow you to be away from home for 20 days a month flying a shiny new CRJ around the midwest, maybe you should just frac share a jet and fly it around yourself.

The entire idea of bypassing seniority for a better QOL is also ridiculous. That is the entire point of seniority. That three months could mean a lot. Just ask the bubble FOs that did the upgrade/downgrade/upgrade/transition training shuffle over the last four years. It is also the seniority that allows for those sweet schedules that the FOs have to choose from instead of bottom feeding on the captain list to pay the bills. SENIORITY is the driving force that allows better QOL and better pay. Ironically, the saab will have better schedules and thus better pay and QOL foy YEARS anyway. Just ask any of the AVRO guys how nice the skeds were back in the day.

OUT

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Bill P says there are going to be equipped with a level 2 (?) electronic flight bag.

They will get what they deserve with staffing. I just heard from someone that since the bankruptcy started, we lost 353 pilots (37%) of the workforce. And they just keep leaving!

I was furloughed around number 880. I am being recalled around 580... Sure made the decision to leave the 135 captain job a lot easier.... just have to figure out how to pay the bills for the next 12-18 months or so til upgrade....

 

[DoinTime]

just have to figure out how to pay the bills for the next 12-18 months or so til upgrade....

Now thats optimistic.

 

[Napoleon TNT]

Now thats optimistic.

i'd say irrational.

 

[gnx99]

For the upgrade, it'll all depend on attrition. I moved up over 60 spots since the mid-January seniority list. At that rate, Mesaba will lose another 240+ pilots by the end of 2007, but I don't think that many people will actually leave.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Hey I've been told I need to be more positive so I am trying....
As for upgrade if I could guess that exactly I wouldn't be taking recall, I'd be at the poker tables in Vegas. 12 months probably won't happen, 18 months should IF we actually get all the awarded CRJ's this time AND we don't loose any more planes (other than 602XJ which is already set to leave). After the last screw job I won't be holding my breath in anticipation, but I have to think Mesaba is past due for some good to come its way. Just as Foley, Pohlad, Spanjers, ect. are way past due for their bad karma....:smash:

 

[Napoleon TNT]

As for the comments about SCREW JOBS...TO ALL Furloughs returning... try this one on for size.

If you are a returning furlough, plan on it being a long time before you get your small share of the bankruptcy claim.

You may NOT even get any share of the claim at all!!!

MSA ALPA is considering to cut out ALL FURLOUGH RETURNEES from receiving any bit of money from the bankruptcy claim. They claim that the furloughs have not suffered as much as the people that got to keep their job.

The other option they are looking at is that if you return, you have to be at XJ for over a year, before you are eligible to get any 401k deposit. If you return, and find a better job 5, 7, 9 months down the road, MSA ALPA feels that you DO NOT deserve your share.

Keep in mind that there will be people that were at XJ only 1 day past the cut-off, and moved on to other jobs, they are set to receive their $20,000+ pay-out. Meanwhile a furlough that has been on the list for months after the cut-off day...ALPA feels that you are not one of the 'good ol boys.'

But, they will take your 2% with big smiles.

 

[gnx99]

^ Where did you hear this?

 

[Napoleon TNT]

Person I know that is/was looking at returning...talked to KP a few times.

 

[big shacks]

Here's to you Mr. Mesaba Pilot Yes Voter Guy!

Your inept greed, and cowardly act has helped further lower the profession of the pilot.

All in the name of "This will help me get to be a Captain sooner, and get out of here!" That is no different than the Ho-Jets, Mesa, Skywest, and all of the other bottom feeders mentality.

There are no guarenteed additional aircraft coming. Even if you receive replacements for the Avro's you will still be lower than you were.

In the tradition of FlightInfo (but reversed),.... "You are no longer welcome in my jumpseat."

Question...what is your 2% dues getting you anyways?

Nothing I say.

You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Nothing but negative posting on XJ. Do you work for Mesaba? and if not, how many Mesaba folks have you denied the jump seat to. Probably none! Keep catching bass troll.

 

[Napoleon TNT]

Is it negative?

Or is it facts?

Is it Mesaba comments?

Or are they directed at ALPA?

That is a nice group you have there at ALPA. Everyone is fine and dandy, and good, as long as you agree with the machine. But, as soon as you disagree with the machine, you must be punished!!

There seems to be much talk about drinking company kool-aid. Usually from union die-hards. Lets open some conversation about union kool-aid.

Of course, the union would deny any such doings. And they would attempt to silence those that feel that way.

Yeah, I want to be a part of that.

 

[xjlifer]

Is it negative?

Or is it facts?

Is it Mesaba comments?

Or are they directed at ALPA?

That is a nice group you have there at ALPA. Everyone is fine and dandy, and good, as long as you agree with the machine. But, as soon as you disagree with the machine, you must be punished!!

There seems to be much talk about drinking company kool-aid. Usually from union die-hards. Lets open some conversation about union kool-aid.

Of course, the union would deny any such doings. And they would attempt to silence those that feel that way.

Yeah, I want to be a part of that.

Betcha kick your dog when you get home from a trip.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Is it negative?

Or is it facts?

Is it Mesaba comments?

Or are they directed at ALPA?

That is a nice group you have there at ALPA. Everyone is fine and dandy, and good, as long as you agree with the machine. But, as soon as you disagree with the machine, you must be punished!!

There seems to be much talk about drinking company kool-aid. Usually from union die-hards. Lets open some conversation about union kool-aid.

Of course, the union would deny any such doings. And they would attempt to silence those that feel that way.

Yeah, I want to be a part of that.

I don't always like what I see from the union either, but you know, there are several openings for volunteers right now. I don't think you can stop them from serving the kool-aid, but maybe you can make sure they don't add so much arsenic by mixing it yourself.

Or you can just kvetch and throw your remote at the TV when they went for the pass when you thought they should have run it. That'll show 'em!

Was that enough metaphors?

 

[Whataboutbob]

As for the comments about SCREW JOBS...TO ALL Furloughs returning... try this one on for size.

If you are a returning furlough, plan on it being a long time before you get your small share of the bankruptcy claim.

You may NOT even get any share of the claim at all!!!

MSA ALPA is considering to cut out ALL FURLOUGH RETURNEES from receiving any bit of money from the bankruptcy claim. They claim that the furloughs have not suffered as much as the people that got to keep their job.

The other option they are looking at is that if you return, you have to be at XJ for over a year, before you are eligible to get any 401k deposit. If you return, and find a better job 5, 7, 9 months down the road, MSA ALPA feels that you DO NOT deserve your share.

Keep in mind that there will be people that were at XJ only 1 day past the cut-off, and moved on to other jobs, they are set to receive their $20,000+ pay-out. Meanwhile a furlough that has been on the list for months after the cut-off day...ALPA feels that you are not one of the 'good ol boys.'

But, they will take your 2% with big smiles.

No comment on this one until it comes out as fact that this is what the union is planning on doing. I find it hard to believe they would do this.

 

[ikillbigfoot]

I've heard the first 4 CRJ's are going to MSP. So if you are a new hire or a super junior return furlough you are probably going to be on RSV for quite a while until more come correct? How long could that be if all 36 jets come aboard?

Again I've heard its first 4 MSP, then the next 10 to DTW/MEM.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

if you are a super junior returning furlough... or a super senior returning furlough you have already been forced to take Memphis Saab FO if you want to return. The first newhire class is listed as 30 Saab FO, 2 CR9 FO.... If you are not a new hire at Mesaba you would be a fool to bid FO to FO seat because you are very likely to then be seatlocked and not upgrade when you otherwise would.... Then again there are some career FO's here and that might work for those few. But they are few and far. Unfortunately Career MSP captains is a whole nother story....

 

[iflyasaab]

Just wondering how those Avro crews in Europe are doing? Any word on how the flying/lifestyle is over there? Have they all given up on coming back to Mesaba? Just curious!