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Liz Fedor, Star Tribune Last update: March 14, 2006 – 8:23 PM

Mesaba Airlines extended a peace offering to its unions Tuesday, and the two sides left U.S. Bankruptcy Court with an extra month's time to negotiate new contracts.

"We realize that it is in the best interests of everybody involved here to reach a consensual agreement," Mesaba spokeswoman Elizabeth Costello said.
The bankrupt regional carrier has asked its pilots, mechanics and flight attendants unions to lower their labor costs by 19.4 percent. But the unions have resisted that level of cuts. They have pressed Mesaba to provide them with alternate business models that incorporate some small-jet flying. The company's business plan is based solely on flying 49 Saab turboprops, which is about half the fleet Mesaba had in October when it filed for bankruptcy.
On Feb. 24, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Gregory Kishel started hearing Mesaba's motion to void its current contracts with the three big labor unions. Under bankruptcy law, Kishel was expected to rule on that motion by March 27.
Management and labor agreed Tuesday to push back the judge's deadline to April 25.
Tom Wychor, chairman of the Mesaba pilots union, said both sides have spent so much time in court arguing their positions that they have had little time to bargain on new contracts.
Tuesday was Day 10 in the courtroom, and most of the negotiating sessions that have been held with the unions in recent weeks have been quite brief.
"By giving us a little time to focus on negotiations, and not just on litigation, we believe that we'll have a better opportunity to find solutions that will work for both the company and the pilot group," Wychor said.
The court hearing will resume Monday. Kishel said he expects all testimony to be completed next week.
Mesaba executives said earlier that they needed pay cuts and new labor contracts in place by April 1, so now they are showing some flexibility with their union leaders who had complained that management was attempting to rush concessionary bargaining.
Tonight, Mesaba employees are taking part in a labor unity rally at the Mall of America.
Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709
 
Whoa, whoa, wait a second.

Didn't DW just say the other day something akin to "Not one plugged nickle!" ?

Now he wants to "negotiate"?

Not surprising management backed down when the wages they're proposing would force the departure of so much of their work force they couldn't operate the airline...

They're thinking if they can get the MEC on board, the pilots will probably accept it.

I smell annother Red-Tail snow job starting to form, similar to the T.A. that's up for vote.

Good luck at the rally tonight, hope you guys tell DW the same thing, "Not one red cent!"
 
Management just "blinked" regarding the standoff.

Good luck Messaba guys. Go get 'em. I think management is starting to realize that you are serious about this. Don't back down now.
 
Well, at least we get to put our lives on hold for another month... At least we got that going for us...
 
AviatorTx said:
Management just "blinked" regarding the standoff.

Good luck Messaba guys. Go get 'em. I think management is starting to realize that you are serious about this. Don't back down now.

I don't think they blinked. I think NWA told 'em there'd be no CRJ flying, sounds like XJ has been ruled out of the RFP. It suddenly wasn't a priority.

Noncontract groups will still take their hit 4/1. Unions should have opposed this, IMO. It would've solidified support behind organized labor. Unions should have told the company that everyones careers and lives were in the air, and this needed settled. Remember, Special Ed is gone. Company needed time to figure out wherer to go next without him. DW didn't take advantage of a company weakness. Why?
 
oh, here are my thoughts...full pay til the last day.....i am not sure if i am going to be around when this all plays out. I suport our union but i am sick of being asked to go to these rally's/functions when the last one i went to during the last contract something like this was said....by Mr wychor

"We will strike if we do not get Comair rates or better, (slamming fist on podeum) we are united and will not accept anything other than an industry leading contract." Now these might not be exact words he used, but they are pretty close, but the fist did slam. I do not want to get my hopes up at another rally only to accept some rediculous pay for an FO or captain who is a professional.

* so if we did get comair rates back then, would we have Comair rates after bankruptcy????????
*i beleive Comairs imposed rates are still higher than ours are now
*when will ALPA wake up and smell the coffee and put its foot down and be a real national Union, and not some fragmented collection of fighting for jobs with a skid right to rates lower than any other profession......oh wait...ALPA already allows pilots to make less than bus drivers, truck drivers, and i beleive most non skilled career feilds out there.....

* i say if i am payed worse than everyone, why should i wear a tie.....dam, i should be wearing sweats and a teeshirt since thats what i was wearing in college when i made about what i make now.
 
fieldinsight said:
I don't think they blinked. I think NWA told 'em there'd be no CRJ flying, sounds like XJ has been ruled out of the RFP. It suddenly wasn't a priority.

Noncontract groups will still take their hit 4/1. Unions should have opposed this, IMO. It would've solidified support behind organized labor. Unions should have told the company that everyones careers and lives were in the air, and this needed settled. Remember, Special Ed is gone. Company needed time to figure out wherer to go next without him. DW didn't take advantage of a company weakness. Why?

I think you give Ed too much credit. The puppet strings at XJ are pulled by the big red mutha. I would like to think that the Union's case for rejecting the 1113C is much stronger than the comapny thought. Maybe they will actually start negotiating. Or maybe they need more time to protect their golden parachutes before the bank goes up in flames.
 
Yudso said:
I think you give Ed too much credit. The puppet strings at XJ are pulled by the big red mutha. I would like to think that the Union's case for rejecting the 1113C is much stronger than the comapny thought. Maybe they will actually start negotiating. Or maybe they need more time to protect their golden parachutes before the bank goes up in flames.


They need to refinance their mansions before they go CH 7 (thoses ARMs can be a b**ch!)

One more sleepless month, stomach aches and all.
 
Yudso said:
I think you give Ed too much credit. The puppet strings at XJ are pulled by the big red mutha. I would like to think that the Union's case for rejecting the 1113C is much stronger than the comapny thought. Maybe they will actually start negotiating. Or maybe they need more time to protect their golden parachutes before the bank goes up in flames.

I'm well aware that NWA pulls the strings, that stregthens my point actually. Do you think Ed left Champion for Mesaba "just because"? No... NWA brought him over to get new contracts. He failed when they had to file 1113c, so NWA had no further use for him. Ed saw the handwriting on the wall. The morning that the new C concourse opened in DTW, Ed came through. Said he was "on his way back from EWR". When does Emirates fly to in the US? EWR. SK can confirm this.

As some of you have put, perhaps they are buying time to refinance their houses. Why give them the time? Force the issue, push their backs against the wall. Poerstel can't handle it...
 
Don't worry the guys saying "not one penny" will soon be giving up a couple bucks. The mob guys on here won't vote for it but the majority will. Mesaba will live on. The guys that don't like the cuts will be free to get other jobs. Spirit of America. We all have choice. Personally I wouldn't want it any other way. Good thing they can't have the mafia break your knees anymore if you don't vote their way.
 
Yudso....What the hell is that picture that you use for you avatar? I recognize it but dont know from where.
 
Longhorn said:
Yudso....What the hell is that picture that you use for you avatar? I recognize it but dont know from where.

.... and there was much rejoicing. *yayyyyy*

Python (Monty) and the Holy Grail.

Good luck to XJ guys, give 'em he!!. To the crew back around 12 Feb in ITH- wish I could have shot the breeze with you. Chins up and smiling- class act.
 
Longhorn said:
Yudso....What the hell is that picture that you use for you avatar? I recognize it but dont know from where.

Monty Pythons quest for the holy grail... love that movie.
 
fieldinsight said:
I'm well aware that NWA pulls the strings, that stregthens my point actually. Do you think Ed left Champion for Mesaba "just because"? No... NWA brought him over to get new contracts. He failed when they had to file 1113c, so NWA had no further use for him. Ed saw the handwriting on the wall. The morning that the new C concourse opened in DTW, Ed came through. Said he was "on his way back from EWR". When does Emirates fly to in the US? EWR. SK can confirm this.

As some of you have put, perhaps they are buying time to refinance their houses. Why give them the time? Force the issue, push their backs against the wall. Poerstel can't handle it...


Didn't Mr. Ed leave cuz his new salary is $500,000 USD tax free?
 
D'Angelo said:
Good thing they can't have the mafia break your knees anymore if you don't vote their way.

That'd be a step in the right direction.....

Any airplane with a registration ending with MJ, SK, FR, FJ, etc would have to have handicap stickers on the side.
 
IamGumbyDammit said:
Didn't Mr. Ed leave cuz his new salary is $500,000 USD tax free?

I have no idea what Emirates is paying him. If you do, post the source. I'm sure the salary was attractive enough to move halfway around the world, away from all friends and family. Especially when his failure to get new labor contracts meant he'd never be in line to succeed JinglePants, or to run NewCo.

Besides, tax free only applies to UAE. I believe the IRS doesn't let the fact that you were not working in the USA prevent you from paying US taxes.
 
fieldinsight said:
Besides, tax free only applies to UAE. I believe the IRS doesn't let the fact that you were not working in the USA prevent you from paying US taxes.

Emmerits is based in the United Arab Emmerits (UAE)
 
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OPECJet said:
That'd be a step in the right direction.....

Any airplane with a registration ending with MJ, SK, FR, FJ, etc would have to have handicap stickers on the side.

Haha good thing your not runnin the show. Don't worry when the paycuts get voted in ill buy you some cocktails
 
That's great news for Wychor. He should have plenty of time to come up with more creative cliches.
 
fieldinsight said:
Besides, tax free only applies to UAE. I believe the IRS doesn't let the fact that you were not working in the USA prevent you from paying US taxes.
INCORRECT! :)

Tax-free can be had in ANY country outside of the 50 United States, Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and any of the U.S. territories with a few caveats:

1. Your TOTAL overnight stays inside the U.S. in that calendar year is limited to 35. You have to be out of country more than 330 nights in order to qualify for no income taxes.

2. You still have to pay Social Security tax or you will lose the calculated benefits for that year.

3. Your primary residence cannot technically be in the U.S. any more.

If you fit into those, you can work in Hong Kong, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Singapore, Laos, Vietnam, all the garden spots.

Incidentally some of the best scuba diving in the world is off the coasts of those islands, practically untouched boat and aircraft wrecks with LOTS of lobster and crab and no limits on what you can bag and eat on the beach. :D

Can you tell that's where I've been thinking about going? ;)
 
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If you read the MEC email which we get almost every day, you'll notice that this extension came after the news of Foley/Weil being forced to testify. Prior to this news, XJ mngt were digging their heals in and playing hardball.
Mark's testimony also made them look like A$$HOLE$, when he outlined their antics at the negotiating table - this surely wouldn't impress the judge!!
I think ALPA had a good day on Wednesday, which allowed them to finish strong - mngt attorneys didn't seem to ask any difficult questions.

Monday should be a good day - Foley takes the stand!!
Look for XJ mngt's negotiating position to ebb and flow daily, depending on how well Paul does on the stand!!!
 
D'Angelo said:
Don't worry the guys saying "not one penny" will soon be giving up a couple bucks.

A couple of bucks is one thing. 19.4% is quite another.

MM
 
mesaba2425 said:
That's great news for Wychor. He should have plenty of time to come up with more creative cliches.

You should have heard the "Dog Show" quote last night. Sweet.

MM
 
EMIRATES.....United Arab Emirates....the emirate of Dubai to be specific.....any income over 80,000 USD is taxable one must file annual taxes, and can claim a "foreign earned income exclusion" up to 80,000USD.....500.000? is he the chairman????
 

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