Mesaba SF-340 ATL now MEM

[JamesD]

It looks like the Sf will be coming from MEM starting in July via TUP. Also adding ATL-MSL ATL-CHA. No Dtw-TRI. I see alot of deadheading in the future out of DTW with all are overnights slowly going by by

 

[OneBadLT123]

Also, while adding those routes, they removed DTW-YKF and DTW-LBE

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Not to mention CHO for sure was already gone. CRW goes away in July too. Are we still doing ITH or ROA? There are bad odors coming the way of DTW it would appear.

 

[jkurtfly]

Not to mention CHO for sure was already gone. CRW goes away in July too. Are we still doing ITH or ROA? There are bad odors coming the way of DTW it would appear.

I believe ITH is gone at the end of summer according to NWA.com, But ROA is on the schedule for at least a couple months.

 

[SEVEN]

DTW Saab City Changes Between Summer and Fall

--------Summer----Fall
SBN--------0--------1
MKG--------3--------3
FNT--------0--------1
APN--------1--------1
CIU--------1--------1
APN-CIU----1--------1
CAK--------0--------1
CLE--------1--------0
TOL--------4--------6
ERI--------2--------0
ITH--------2--------0
CWA--------1--------1
ESC-IMT----1--------1
CRW--------1--------0
ROA--------0--------1
LEX--------1--------1
PLN--------1--------3
MQT--------4--------4
YXU--------4--------3
CMI--------2--------3
BMI--------1--------0
FWA--------1--------1

TOTALS------32------33

Cities DTW Gains Flying in
SBN
FNT
CAK
TOL
PLN
CMI
ROA

Cities DYW loses flying in
CLE
ERI
ITH
CRW
YXU
BMI

Cities already lost
TRI
YKF
LBE
CHO
ATW

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Wonder how much more overstaffed that will make us...

 

[Seaknight1]

DTW-TRI! Damn, that's a long trip for a Saab! What's the block time for that trip?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

If I remember it was about 2:05 or so... Actually TRI-MEM was even longer at about 2:15.

 

[OneBadLT123]

DTW-TRI! Damn, that's a long trip for a Saab! What's the block time for that trip?

I think the TLH-FLL route is also blocked high as well. I don't remember off hand the exact number, but I think its 2:15 or 2:30'ish

 

[OneBadLT123]

Also, talk has it we're going to be doing 900 service into JFK sometime soon if not already. (Been off work for a few days so I dont know for sure)

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Also, talk has it we're going to be doing 900 service into JFK sometime soon if not already. (Been off work for a few days so I dont know for sure)

Yup it starts June 4th out of MEM and MSP. Thankfully nothing out of DTW til July. And may I never get stuck doing one of thoes flights (unless it's for premium...)

 

[jeroom]

Bring the ATR back! That's all I wanna say...

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

Ouch!!!

If I remember it was about 2:05 or so... Actually TRI-MEM was even longer at about 2:15.

Sitting in the back of a SAAB for over an hour is torture. Sitting in the back of a SAAB for over two hours is equal to waterboarding.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Sitting in the back of a SAAB for over an hour is torture. Sitting in the back of a SAAB for over two hours is equal to waterboarding.

It's better than the 3.5 to 4 hour block times in the CRJ.

 

[Limeyflyer]

Sitting in the back of a SAAB for over an hour is torture.

Sitting in the back of the CRJ is just as much torture. At least the nice hum of the engines on the Saab will put you to sleep

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Is anyone else smelling the end of the Saab in DTW? And at Mesaba overall in the near future?

 

[Limeyflyer]

Is anyone else smelling the end of the Saab in DTW? And at Mesaba overall in the near future?

DTW yes, dont know about XJ altogether though. Not for a couple years at least

 

[flyn96]

I wondered why they started painting 457 first and working backwards. It now makes sense. I'm guessing they'll park 402-411XJ.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Perhaps it also explains why they are getting the 900s painted so much quicker. Hope it doesn't mean what I am afraid of for the 200s too....

 

[OneBadLT123]

DTW yes, dont know about XJ altogether though. Not for a couple years at least

With the announcement of some EAS markets getting axed, I wonder how many of those north MI routes are going to survive. Those ESC-IMT/SAW/CIU/APN/PLN... etc routes are all but empty most of the time it seems.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

With the announcement of some EAS markets getting axed, I wonder how many of those north MI routes are going to survive. Those ESC-IMT/SAW/CIU/APN/PLN... etc routes are all but empty most of the time it seems.

NWA filed the day they got the ESC/IMT route to drop it because it wasn't worth enough to be profitable. As for everything else, welcome to Michigan. The economy here has been in the toilet for about 10 years and counting now. With an incompetent state government clueless how they created the mess and clueless how to fix it. We won't even bother with Detroit itself.

 

[pilotpapa]

The CIU flights are always over-booked. Summer and winter. They used to have 2 flights in the summer..down to one.

 

[labbats]

This is all hypothetical, but what would happen to the street captains if the Saabs did go away? I came pretty close to heading that direction myself and it got me wondering.

 

[Northern Lights]

They would be displaced to FO or furloughed in reverse seniority order.

 

[flap operator]

We're not cutting EAS markets because of the reduction in saab fleet. Mesaba is bound by contract for these routes. However, Mesaba has pulled their current applications for NEW EAS routes citing a/c constraints with the smaller fleet size.

 

[Seaknight1]

Perhaps it also explains why they are getting the 900s painted so much quicker. Hope it doesn't mean what I am afraid of for the 200s too....

Yeah with you joining us as the only other wholly owned with 50 seaters, I wouldn't look for those remaining around for long. RA has stated that he'll continue to decrease the 50 seater fleet at DCI, and ours are the easiest to shed.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

We're not cutting EAS markets because of the reduction in saab fleet. Mesaba is bound by contract for these routes. However, Mesaba has pulled their current applications for NEW EAS routes citing a/c constraints with the smaller fleet size.

The thing I am most worried about is the only EAS routes out of DTW are the ESC/IMT bridge to MSP and the APN route... Both easily covered by bridging from MSP. If this is the end of the Saab base in DTW there are a lot of us even more F'd than most because, well good luck trying to sell a house in Michigan right now.... And for the pay it's not worth commuting.

 

[flap operator]

It seems that DL is balancing the hubs and shuffling the a/c as needed. This was totally expected as a result of the merger. I doubt seriously they'll get rid of ALL the saabs in DTW. I wouldn't be surprised however, to see the 39 a/c spread out a little bit differently than we see today.

It wouldn't be the first time at XJ there was a huge shift of jobs and a/c to other bases. People will move or commute just like they did in the past. Where you gonna go if you quit? Personally, the job is still worth commuting for as a 900 CA, especially if it means still having a job and being able to pay my mortgage.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It seems that DL is balancing the hubs and shuffling the a/c as needed. This was totally expected as a result of the merger. I doubt seriously they'll get rid of ALL the saabs in DTW. I wouldn't be surprised however, to see the 39 a/c spread out a little bit differently than we see today.

It wouldn't be the first time at XJ there was a huge shift of jobs and a/c to other bases. People will move or commute just like they did in the past. Where you gonna go if you quit? Personally, the job is still worth commuting for as a 900 CA, especially if it means still having a job and being able to pay my mortgage.

Perhaps if I could still hold 900 CA... the problem for me (and a number of others) is that IF we are displaced from 900 CA that would mean there are no Saab CA seats for us to displace to. We'd go all the way back to an FO seat. That pay I could not afford to go back to and commute.... And good luck selling a house in the metro Detroit area to move in any circumstance. (not going to happen without walking away from the loan and therefor not being able to get a loan where you move to)

 

[flap operator]

If you are displaced, you go to whatever seat your seniority could hold, including saab CA if there are people JR to you. If you can hold 900 CA, you're highly likely to hold saab CA, even with a reduced fleet.

I wish everyone would stop being so dramatic about this. Nobody but planning know the real numbers. It's crazy for people to be crunching numbers with only part of the story. Why should we all get our undies bunched up for stuff we can't control? We don't even know what the fallout will look like. If I learned anything during our drama filled past, it's not to panic, make rash decisions or believe the sky is falling until you really have to.