Mesaba Recalls

[Under Fire]

Feb. 1
Mesaba Vacancy 07-01 out
looks like 50 fo recalls

 

[saabslave]

More like 60

10 CRJ captains = 10 more needed FO's

 

[nellie2110]

If I did it right it will be more like 50. I looked at the present (471) and proposed (521) staffing and the difference it 50.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

I think there are 10 extra saab fo's built in. If you look at the current vs proposed they are missing 10 total.

 

[TAWS]

I'll bet that they go through the entire list once, to find 50 guys willing to come back.

 

[XJohXJ]

They'd be silly if they didn't call the whole list, right now. 50/220 = 23% acceptance ratio. That's pretty high, as far as recalls go. And, we all know that 100-150 or so have moved on and won't ever come back. The sooner they clear up who's coming back, the better. Especially as it is hard for regionals to fill new hire classes these days. It's time now to get a jump on things.

 

[Whataboutbob]

Here is a question for XJ guys. Im furloughed and I haven't yet, but I should fill out a preferential bid form. I obviously want MSP first (who doesn't) So I would put all the Captain slots down and then put CRJ900 MSP F.O followed by SF340 MSP F.O. After that Im going to put FUR (remain furloughed). I take it that they won't bother me then unless I was awarded MSP and there are pilots junior to me on furlough or if there is no one junior to me and its my last chance to come back. Please let me know if I have the or part correct.

Im currently away from my mailing address just wondering if any body got a recall letter yet? Or do they wait for the vacancy to close, look at all the furloughed pilots perferential bid forms and then send out recall letters accordingly?? Thanks for the help on this one

 

[naglasair1]

I am also furloughed and was just wondering if I stand a chance at getting the jet f.o. positon in DTW or will I come back as Saab F.O.? I was on the saab, so if I come back as Saab f.o. will I need to take the long course again?

Also, what do you guys think about Mesaba's growth potential beyond the 36 CRJ's. Does anyone think we will end up getting Compass's airplanes? I think that NWA might emerge from bankruptcy and liquidate Compass. Is this true, or am I completely out of my mind?

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Bob, I understand this issue the way you explained it. Glasair, According to the vacacy notice (if I am reading correctly) the 900 is going to MSP first.

 

[naglasair1]

Thanks for the info Hogan. I have a few more q's...if we come back could we be seat locked if we chose the Saab in DTW?

Also with regards to the ALPA claim...my understanding is that if you are furloughed you can't collect until mesaba is clear of bankruptcy. If this is the case, than if we are in training or on line at the time Mesaba is clear of the bankruptcy will we get our full amount of the claim or will we still get the furloughed pilot portion of the claim?

 

[Ridgeback]

Can We all Say SJS...

Whatever F/O position you are awarded you will be in that position until you upgrade to Captain...(This is a new change in the contract, hence you are seatlocked in the Saab) yes a new hire could get your shinny new 900 while your slugging it out in the Saab. Why do you think the company has a vacancy out for 40 Saab Fo's. That's where most of you were already trained. They recall you, put you in the Saab, then hire off the street for the 900 fo's...

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Also, what do you guys think about Mesaba's growth potential beyond the 36 CRJ's. Does anyone think we will end up getting Compass's airplanes? I think that NWA might emerge from bankruptcy and liquidate Compass. Is this true, or am I completely out of my mind?

It depends on NWALPA on the fate of mesaba. It is very possible NWALPA will accept additional valuations on the pilot contract which in turn could lead to the carve out for 36 CRJ's that can only be operated by mesaba as a wholly owned. If such is the case Mesaba won't get anything other than 36 CRJ's, Q400s maybe. You have to think in terms of what provides maximum return to the investors in these new wholly owned subsidies. If it turns out the Mesaba is growth limited, all growth will go to compass to maximize return.

NWALPA has taken the stand to comply mesaba to the terms of a wholly owned subsidy regardless of growth. This would be best case scenario for the pilots, but not for management. The bottom line is any scenario results in more lower paying jobs, and a reduction of higher paying ones. However, if ALPA would look at the productivity of the pilot group and choose the best scenario we would be on the right track to restoring this profession.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Can We all Say SJS...

Whatever F/O position you are awarded you will be in that position until you upgrade to Captain...(This is a new change in the contract, hence you are seatlocked in the Saab) yes a new hire could get your shinny new 900 while your slugging it out in the Saab. Why do you think the company has a vacancy out for 40 Saab Fo's. That's where most of you were already trained. They recall you, put you in the Saab, then hire off the street for the 900 fo's...

NOT true. The seat lock provisions didn't change from what they were. 3 years without upgrade FO's can switch then are locked for 2 more years (including no upgrades) Returning furloughes can bid for which seat/plane/base they want and will not be seatlocked from upgrading even if they were furloughed from the CR2 and come back on the SF340 for example.

 

[FSIGRAD]

I think they will be lucky to find 40 pilots out the list who are willing to come back. We got furloughed a year ago. Some people may have situations where it will work out but I'm sure the vast majority (like myself) waited a month or two and moved on......

 

[xjhawk]

did u guys hear that the job fair that mesaba was at had not too many qualified applicants.....this will get interesting....cancelled vacations...junior manning since there will not be enough pilots....oh great..........

 

[SplitBar]

I am also furloughed and was just wondering if I stand a chance at getting the jet f.o. positon in DTW or will I come back as Saab F.O.? I was on the saab, so if I come back as Saab f.o. will I need to take the long course again?

Also, what do you guys think about Mesaba's growth potential beyond the 36 CRJ's. Does anyone think we will end up getting Compass's airplanes? I think that NWA might emerge from bankruptcy and liquidate Compass. Is this true, or am I completely out of my mind?

Not much of a chance getting Jet FO upon initial return. I have heard of a bunch of 3+ year FO's who are active and are going to bid over to CRJ900 FO. Once your recalled and have your 3 years in then you can bid into a vacant CRJ FO slot.

 

[gnx99]

Not much of a chance getting Jet FO upon initial return. I have heard of a bunch of 3+ year FO's who are active and are going to bid over to CRJ900 FO. Once your recalled and have your 3 years in then you can bid into a vacant CRJ FO slot.

I wonder how many 3+ year guys are gonna want to be locked in that spot (CRJ900 FO) for 2 years though. IF the 900s come as scheduled, and IF the Saabs all stay, and IF attrition remains high, Saab upgrades might go quite deep within 2 years.

 

[XJohXJ]

NWA's publicly announced and clearly stated plan is to have all 49 Saabs stay as well as the 36 new crjs. Whether or not the ASA is signed yet, I don't know. I know everyone is pissed off and does not trust NWA or XJ management, but I really think that we will have at least 85 planes in 2 years. Remember, they MUST build us up if they want to sell us. They also must reasonably guarantee the terms of the ASA on to the next purchaser.

Current attrition is around 10-15 month. Run those numbers, and virtually all FO's (not including furloughees) will make Saab Captain within the two years. Many should make it in the next few months.

Do they really want to be seat locked as an FO for two years?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

My thoughts exactly... Why would 99.9% of the FO's seatlock themselves when almost any with the 3 years in to switch will be looking at upgrade within the next 2 years. If they aren't then they are likely to be displaced because of plans not panning out again.

 

[SplitBar]

My thoughts exactly... Why would 99.9% of the FO's seatlock themselves when almost any with the 3 years in to switch will be looking at upgrade within the next 2 years. If they aren't then they are likely to be displaced because of plans not panning out again.

Easy, I just flew with a guy who just had his 3 year anniversary and he can't hold MSP as a Saab FO. He is bidding CRJ900 FO to get MSP based. I will all but guarantee you that the 1st 10 slots will go to active XJ FOs. The bottom 50 active FO's are looking at a couple years till upgrade anways and thats not counting the senior "career" FO's that never upgraded to begin with. Just wait and see how it pans out come award day on Feb 13th.

 

[XJohXJ]

Yeah, I'm sure ALL MSP spots will go to current FO's during this first round. Things will get better, though.

 

[SplitBar]

The first round might be the bulk of the recalls. Depending on how you crunch the #'s there may be up to 60 FO's getting recalled after you take into account the domino affect. I think enough bypassing will cause the recalls to hit the bottom of the list and they will start dropping off as they are forced to choose between recall or resignation. Some are projecting that only about 1/3 will return so it will be interesting to see how far the bounce goes up from the bottom of the list.

 

[gnx99]

That's a good point about getting MSP by going to the 900. I didn't think of that. I'd take whatever plane keeps me in MSP as well.

 

[XJohXJ]

Whatever happens in this first round is just the first move, nothing more. Things will be very fluid for several months here. New planes every month means new vacancy awards every month. A lot of people have left for good. Saab vs CRJ = whatever. FO's will make it into the base they want. Captain upgrades will be a different story.

 

[Northern Lights]

I noticed that I moved up 33 numbers between the 1/15 and 2/1 seniority lists. Have that many people left, or did they just not have an accurate count on the jan list?

 

[captain dad]

can someone tell me where a April 97 guy would fall on the list. I am curious to see how many above me have left. Thanks

 

[Northern Lights]

Looks like the 190's

 

[willbob]

can someone tell me where a April 97 guy would fall on the list. I am curious to see how many above me have left. Thanks

I am May 04 and I am in the mid 500''s

 

[WMUSIGPI]

That's a good point about getting MSP by going to the 900. I didn't think of that. I'd take whatever plane keeps me in MSP as well.

I'm sure with all the shuffling about to happen again. Any current FO that wants MSP should be able to get it on the Saab within a couple bids without seatlocking themselves. So unless for some reason you want to be a career FO what's the point of doing that?