Mesaba Re-Alignment 06-04

[Crizz]

Wasnt this thing supposed to award last night at 5?

 

[xjhawk]

i say something fishy is going on. IF we are to be only a 49 saab fleet , then why am i still around? why do we have an entire former jet base on reserve

 

[Detroitpilot22]

are all the avro memphis guys still there just sitting around doing nothing? That is wierd

 

[Detroitpilot22]

are all the avro memphis guys still there just sitting around doing nothing? That is wierd

 

[gnx99]

Wasnt this thing supposed to award last night at 5?

Yep, I keep checking mymesaba, but nothing.

I don't know why I have a job either. Last summer we had 9.2 pilots per plane (920 pilots /100 planes), now we have 12.2 pilots per plane (744/61). I'm getting my ass kicked on Saab FO reserve though.....

 

[xjhawk]

yeah, the funny thing is that i hear they are so short on Saab FO's i mean jeeze, something must be going on, they really could not be that dumb, but with my luck, they are the biggest idiots in the avaition industry.....and we are going to have 49 saabs.....while airlines with a higher cost structure are taking all the ASA's away from us.

 

[IHateMgmt]

They're so short on SAAB FO cause they furloughed them all... and now they've got a bunch of RJ guys sitting around with no jet to fly. Brilliant. I stand by my name.

-IHM

 

[bri5150]

I just talked with planning. The reason the award isn't out yet is because they didn't get the multi-class bid they were hoping for, which created a lot more work. He said it will be out today, hopefully before 5:00pm

 

[N590MA]

Why should we give them another multi-class bid? They refused to recognize in court, the cost savings we gave them with the first one. Hopefully this re-alignment is a monster pain in the a$$ for planning, because they couldn't properly staff this airline if they had to. As always, Remember your power setting charts need to have 19.4% deducted from them when you set your cruise power.

And with that, XJ can kiss my spanky!

 

[gnx99]

It's OUT!!! There's a LOT of movement. They also came out with a furlough list including 42 pilots. August 22 furlough date, with voluntaries coming in July.

 

[gnx99]

Also, the move dates are September 1st..... I say it's so far in advance because they are waiting for 76 seaters to become official. This gives them time to wait it out.

 

[othello]

153 pilots moving, bases and or Equipment. + furlough list including 42 pilots.

My understanding is that the AVRO sim has been shutdown and is getting ready to move to Europe. So how are the pilots that have displaced into the avro going to get trained?

And with all this movement taking place on June 26-27 (all classes starting)who the hell is going to fly the Planes in July?

 

[XJohXJ]

And with all this movement taking place on June 26-27 (all classes starting)who the hell is going to fly the Planes in July?

A lot of the July Saab DTW FO lines are up in the 90's, so it won't be any of us!

 

[xjhawk]

yeah something smells like management at XJ

153 pilots moving, bases and or Equipment. + furlough list including 42 pilots.

My understanding is that the AVRO sim has been shutdown and is getting ready to move to Europe. So how are the pilots that have displaced into the avro going to get trained?

And with all this movement taking place on June 26-27 (all classes starting)who the hell is going to fly the Planes in July?

I tend to agree, notice the dates to start the training are right when the next court date starts. I cannot imagine them training so many people at the same time and yeah, who will be flying all the planes? Where will the avro training occur.

I have said it before, something does not add up here. Yes i will admit, this scares the crap out of me, but when i see some trends that do not add up at mesaba and NWA, i think this is all a scare tactic one way or another, even if it means some temp furloughs might be in the future, and it might be something like 76 seaters or whatever. But they would be coming slow, if ever. I have no idea whats up, except some of my friends are furloughed and are on the furlough list now. I still say, we need to stay strong and let the place burn since the management is starting the fires......why should we take cuts to pay for the fire department.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Even if NWA orders 76 seat jets this year it will be months before any go online, and I'm talking like 8-12 months minimum. I would think the company is keeping you guys around to earn you guys a little more money before you have to face furlough. You guys were screwed by NWA with or without the help of XJ or MAIR. Even if you got MAIR's money back it still wouldn;t help any of the pilot group.

 

[A19]

When there is nothing left to burn, you have to set yourself on fire

 

[gnx99]

Even if NWA orders 76 seat jets this year it will be months before any go online, and I'm talking like 8-12 months minimum. I would think the company is keeping you guys around to earn you guys a little more money before you have to face furlough. You guys were screwed by NWA with or without the help of XJ or MAIR. Even if you got MAIR's money back it still wouldn;t help any of the pilot group.

Couldn't they do it faster than that? We already have a certified CRJ training program up and running. And I thought all the CRJs have the same type rating. Unless they won't be CRJs.....

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Couldn't they do it faster than that? We already have a certified CRJ training program up and running. And I thought all the CRJs have the same type rating. Unless they won't be CRJs.....

Nope, first they have to make a decision on what airplanes to buy. That was going to be this month, however with the flight attendants it has been pushed back. Next, they have to find the financing and then go through the legal process to get that. That will most likely happen after all of NWA planes lease rates are finalized(sometime in october-november) Then they have to start building them, which will take 2-3 months for the first airplane. Then mesaba has to transfer the senior guys to the new jet and so forth. So if you are furloughed right now, I would say 2009 is a likely date you will see your employment again. However, upgrade time will be very short once you get back. If you are just starting your private flight training right now, by the time your ready to get hired, mesaba will be the fastest upgrade.

From a mangement aspect that long contract duration they are handing you guys will cover a whole generation of pilots through that company, of whom will not be looking to get back what they previously had. So anybody asking why so long, there's your answer.

 

[N590MA]

You guys think that it will only be 70 seaters? I would not put it past them to take some of 9E's 50s and send them to Xj. I would bet they would start with the 15 bthat 9e parked and were recently told that they were possibly coming back.

 

[fieldinsight]

Those 15 birds are gone. The leases were rejected, Bombardier is trying to re-lease them via some guarantee program thru the Canadian gov't. Just read someplace that they've been talking to interested parties about those planes and some of the former flyI planes. US carriers have no interest in 50 seaters. I still wouldn't be surprised to see XJT's 69 planes painted in redtails. That would make it easy to reject the leases on another 69 CRJ440's.