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Mesaba Pilots’ Tentative Agreement
Summary of Improvements

The Mesaba pilots were most concerned in gaining improvements in four key areas of their contract: job security, compensation, retirement, and work rules. The tentative agreement that was accepted by the Mesaba Master Executive Council of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, has improvements in all of these primary areas.

Below is a quick, bullet-point summary of these improvements.

Job Security

Q Mesaba Pilots will be the only pilots used to do flying for Mesaba Aviation, Inc. (Mesaba), MAIR Holdings, Inc. (MAIR) or any future subsidiary of MAIR. (MAIR is the parent company for Mesaba.)

Q Big Sky Airlines, the only other subsidiary held by MAIR outside of Mesaba, will be permanently limited to flying aircraft with 19 or fewer seats. Pilots at Big Sky Airlines will continue to operate under their own contract and represented by the United Transportation Union (UTU).

Q The new language in the Mesaba contract (commonly referred to as “Scope” language) prevents the outsourcing of Mesaba flying jobs. It also guarantees that any new flying obtained by MAIR, Mesaba Aviation, or any other MAIR subsidiary aside from Big Sky will be performed by Mesaba pilots.

Compensation

Q First Officer pay increases range from 26.7% to 13.4%. The highest increase of 26.7% is for new-hire F/O’s, and the majority of first officers will receive 13.4% increases. Some more senior F/O’s will also receive a higher increase as the old payscale topped out at 5 years. For example, F/O’s with 8 years or more of seniority will have a 23.9% raise, 7 year F/O’s will receive a 20.3% raise, and F/O’s of 6 years will receive a 16.8% raise. The new payscale tops out at 8 years, and all F/O’s will be paid the same regardless of aircraft type flown.

Q Captain pay increases are 5.1% across the board. The Captain payscale tops out at 18 years and pay rates differ by the aircraft type, as delineated by seat ranges.

Q All pilot payscales will increase by 2% for the first two years after signing, and 4% over the last two years.

Q Pilots will still be guaranteed 75 hours of pay, regardless of the amount of flying a pilot does. If a pilot flies more than 75 hours, they will be paid for the total amount. (e.g. a pilot actually flies 55 hours in a month, they are paid for 75; a pilot actually flies 85 hours in a month, they are paid for 85)

Q For every duty day, a pilot will be guaranteed 4 hours of pay. For example, if a pilot operates two MSP-STC round trip flights over one day, the actual flight credit for the entire day (four flights) is only worth 2:40. If the first round trip operates between 9 am and noon, and the second operates from 5pm to 8pm, the pilot is on-duty for 11 hours. Mesaba will pay 4 hours as a minimum day guarantee.

Q Retroactive Pay: All pilots will receive a retroactive paycheck within 30 days of the date of signing of the new contract. The amount of the paychecks will vary from $450 to $6300 depending on the amount of flight pay earnings for 2003. First Officers will receive a retro payment of 10% of their pay from 2003, and Captains will receive a retro payment of 5% of their pay from 2003.

Retirement

The improvements in retirement greatly increase the amounts of matched contributions made by the Company. Under the new matching and vesting schedule agreed to, a pilot with a 30 year career at Mesaba, deferring 15% of income in addition to the full employer match will retire with 55% of his final average earnings, using common actuarial assumptions.

Other improvements include more oversight of retirement benefits by employees through an advisory committee, significantly tighter timeframes for contributions, and guidelines for matching.

Work Rules

Mesaba pilots will now have a minimum of 11 days off on their monthly schedules, up from 10. It should be noted that although pilots have more days off per month than most other professions, their schedules include (on average) 13 days away from home, and duty days of 10-13 hours.

Other improvements throughout the contract that touch on work rules and schedule improvements were attained in earlier stages of bargaining.

Other Main Points

Q Duration: 5 years (amendable Spring 2009)
Q Per-Diem: 10 cent increase to $1.45/hr of duty, $.05 increase per year
 
Some good, some bad. The payrates are very unimpressive. A $4 raise for a 4 - 5 year AVRO fo. I have a feeling that this ta will not be ratified.
 
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It is true, I had it e-mailed to me in pdf form. This is fucing BS. If this gets ratified we may as well have the ba dropped form mesaba. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing pissed
 
Saabtrash, you expected more? Thats very good considering the industry. It is almost comair + 10%. it will be ratified.
 
I am looking at the contract right now and I am not that impressed. Yes, it is an improvement but it is very short of a Comair contract. Still a flat FO rate that is good for the SAAB but not the Avro or a CRJ. At date of signing FO YR 0-1 $23.08, 1-2 $27.67, 2-3 $30.38, 3-4 $33.09, 4-5 $34.08, 5-6 $35.10, 6-7 $36.15, 7-8 $37.24. Per Deim is $1.45 while Sky West is $1.65. In comparison we have a great first year pay but after that lets compair to Comair. Comair year 2 FO as of 03 is $35.75 in the CRJ 50 and $39.46 for the CRJ 70 compared to Mesaba at $27.67 for all aircraft up to 69 seats. This averages out to $8 to $12 short of just holding the bar where it should be. We still dont even get 12 days off. I dont see anything new with trip and duty rigs yet but even Big Sky got 1:2 pay for a days duty. Retro is 10% of last years salary for the FO and 5% for the Captain. Looking at my pay for last year as an FO that will be about 75% retro pay which is good. There is also good scope protection. The Captain rates on the CRJ 50 are close to Comair but still fall a little short. The Avro tops out at $92.63 after18 years which still is nothing to brag about. I think that we can do better, but I am willing to wait and here what the MEC has to say about the whole thing.

I have a hard time feeling this is comparable to Comair.
I dont want to sell out for Scope like Mesa did.
My 2 cents
 
At least 85% of the pilots will vote this down. Wouldnt you think that the company would have tried to please the group that has nothing to lose (FIRST OFFICERS) and 400+ votes!

All first officers get same pay regardless of AVRO or Saab which tops at a little over 37/hour at 7 years. No real 401K increases
until 16 years!

This is TA is not even close to Comair!
 
I meant for starting pay, that was the big beef was it not, or now are you changing your tune now that you got it. All I am saying is that ALPA is gonna float us down the riverif we are not careful. Just look at how much support NWALPA gave by proposing pay concessions right around the time mesaba got released. I think its a fair TA and I WILL VOTE YES.
 
Dude, you are a toolbox. Go to Mesa, you'll like it better. how the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** did you figure comair plus 10%?
 
They cant afford more yet they can close us down for two days. We could have had everything I required for a yes vote with the money Mesaba just flushed down the toilet on Friday, Saturday and Sunday!
 
Hmmmm. Good job on the scope. Don't underestimate the importance of that. I'm not impressed with the pay, especially for your FO's. $27 @ hour for a 2nd year CRJ or AVRO FO isn't very good at all. The Saab pay is more in line with what a better paid T-prop FO makes.

The economic environment is better than it was a year ago and improving. I think you guys can do a little better. This is what they gave up to avert a strike. Imagine what they might give to end one, even a short one. In any case, think it over carefully, and then vote your conscience. As an outside observer I'd recommend you vote it down. Good luck. You can count on the Comair pilot group to support you if you decide that this TA isn't good enough.
 
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NOT flamebait

I'm new to this whole ALPA/airline pilot contract thing, just started reading "Flying the Line Vol. 2". I absolutely don't intend this to be flamebait, I'm just trying to understand a little better.

Do Mesaba guys flying the Saab really expect to get paid the same or better than Comair CRJ rates? To me, that would seem a little optimistic, given the difference in equipment and the *current* state of the economy. I would expect Mesaba pilots to be the highest paid 20-49 seat turboprop pilots in the industry after ratifying a new contract (both seats), and certainly the Avro drivers should be paid similar to Comair CR7 drivers. 50 seat pay should definately be in the ballpark of CMR and ACA, for both FOs and CAs, as well.

It looks like new hire FOs got the most benefit out of the TA, and if I am not mistaken, was that not the main rallying cry of the pilot group and ALPA? Is $17,000 a year fair?

My question to the XJ pilots here: what realistic Saab, Avro, and CRJ pay scale would a TA have to have for you to vote yes?


Once again, just trying to learn...this CFI supports you guys!
 
The pay is good for the saab, but we have rates for 44 and 50 seat jets in there too, those are not good. What would you like for us to get paid?
 
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Is it me or are the AVRO fo rates about the same as they were in the original '96 contract?

Your right! I saw this also!

Based on the posts of our ALPA XJ Message board, this TA will certinely be turned down!

There is no way in HELL I'm voting YES!
 
I agree. No way this group of pilots will vote yes on this pile. Especially after what we have all gone through the last 2.5 yrs. I'm throwing down my NO vote.
 

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