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training again

For one thing, i was happy ...real happy to get my job, and it was fun and a bit stressful to have over three months off while they tried to figure out the Avro and labot problem. But the three Avro guys are back in training form day one with a schedule to get us to Sims again. Hopefully we get to get into the Sims and then A/C this time. And as for the response to "Spock" yes i was in basic indoc with him, and congrats to him for getting into AirWilly, he went to better pay and better benifits and a better base, can anyone blame him? And as for the hiring? Yes they are getting a pool of 50( straight form chief pilot) or 70 (a rumor form HR after a meeting) for a yet to be determined beginning of classes all dependant on the ratifcation of a certain contract.............
 
i guess i'm making it pretty obvious who i am :rolleyes:
good to hear you guys are back in class!
 
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The number I am also hearing is 50. They are hiring sim and ground instructors for the SAAB and Avro both. The reason being from what I am hearing is the increase to 11 days off from ten will cause a need for at lease 20 to 30 pilots and I was told that NWA is giving Mesaba 10,000 hours of additional flying this summer over last. We are also still short staffed even for this time of the year.

As far as quiting whithin a few months of getting hired I too think that is a little poor. I wouldnt hire anyone that I saw did that on their applicaton. Be prepared to expain yourself at every interview from now on. Heck I was furoughed from Mesaba twice over the winter and the first time the day after I finished my green line. You should have considered yourself lucky that they retracted your potential furlough. You are the reason why companies like Pinnacle dont pay during training or require a training agreement. All that you did is make it harder for anyone else who tries to come along.
 
Quitting after a few months ...

Give him a break, if he was getting dicked around by mgmt, he had every right to go somewhere else. Employers need to realize that the job market is a two-way street, and if they're going to treat their employees like crap, be prepared to see them leave for greener pastures. Especially if they lie to you in the interview about future growth (or anything else).

Yes the company loses some money on training, but that's nowhere near the impact it has on the pilot's life, of quitting your old job and changing your life around for a new one, only to find out it's not what was promised.

Of course, some employers prefer a pilot who is willing to get repeatedly reamed and keep saying thank you sir, may I have another. But the more enlightened ones realize that treating people right is a better way to ensure loyalty.
 
New-hire Pay?

Just wondering:

Anyone know if the new TA changes anything as far as New-hires are concerned?

1. Pay?
2. Hotel?
3. Uniforms?
Etc.

Thanks.
 
Re: New-hire Pay?

BAe3100FO said:
Just wondering:

Anyone know if the new TA changes anything as far as New-hires are concerned?

1. Pay?
2. Hotel?
3. Uniforms?
Etc.

Thanks.
They never talked about that in my interview. They were just talking about how much they like the new contract and how they hope it gets ratified.

And the mins are 1000/100.
 
Xjdriver - I see your point and that weighed heavily in my decision. I just don't think a flying job is worth sticking to if they play games with you like that. If they were that worried about the training cost then they wouldn't have planned on furloughing me. I also disagree that this causes companies like Pinnacle to treat new hires like they do. If they don't give pilots a million reasons to jump ship then the problem would solve itself. They treat new hires like they do because they CAN and pilots are willing to take it. I don't fault anybody for taking a job at Pinnacle either - I probably would have too about 6 months ago. In my situation in particular I was offered better pay, workrules, more days off, a base I might actually want to live in, AND I won't be the very bottom pilot in the company. He11, I've already got 17 numbers below me. I might actually be off reserve inside a year. I don't feel good about sticking it too XJ but what choice did I have?
 
agreement and disagreement

This is a direct response to xjdriver......i agree with your info in regards to the new hiring but your opinions on the second half of your message is lacking any thought or knowledge on the workings of a big business. It is not that poeple , new pilots, are quiting earlier than expected that companies like Pinnicle are not paying during training, it is because they can get away with it and make a bunch more money at the expense of a frew desperate pilots. The coming of an upswing of hiring in the 90's and union contracts getting stronger that stopped that. A few pilots quiting for better pay is industry norm just like most industries and as for the guy spocks beard, do you think the company had his welfare or anyother pilots welfare in mind when they threatened furlough? And to remind you of the managements bonuses after 911 even though they furloughed 1st officers(i am sure their combined two years salary would not equal the senior managements bonuses at that time!) but xjdriver, i am sure when you were furloughed, your firsat thoughts were "what can i do for the company now" If spocks beard thought he could earn a living at another airline and thought his job security was better, then hey! more power to the guy! That is capitolism at its best.....competition for the better work force. What the airlines like pinnicle are doing is a race for the worst workforce buy hiring gulfstream pilots that pay thousands of dollars for a job and probably still think they will be 747 captains in just a few years.....now...for my disclaimer....if you are a gulfstream pilot that has worked your but off, and does not have daddy's wallet paying for everything....work hard and you'll be rewarded....and hey...if you all get a chance to work at Mesaba...i think the people thaat work their are the best and it is a great place to work and it will only get better! people just need to realise that bumps do happen and think that regionals are going to be careers for many of us.....no matter what some of the younger pilots think!
 
Anyone Else Interviewed Lately??

Just wondering if there's anyone else out there who's interviewed at Mesaba within the last week and a half.

I'd like to talk to anyone else who has recently. You can PM me if you want.
 
Here's the info as I know it. There are job postings for F/O's in the XJ crew ops area. Minimums are 1000/100. The company claims that the hiring of F/O's (they can interview all they want) is only for the purpose of filling voids left by increasing our min days off from 10 to 11 in the TA. One of our MEC leaders told me that several applicants/interviewees have already received offers of employment contingent on the passing of the TA. I have no idea how many they will hire if the TA passes. Any rumors of new jets on the property is clearly speculation. TA changes for new hires:

Pay goes from approx. $18.21 to 23.08/hr.

Uniforms allowance $225/yr. paid to pilots at the end of the calendar year. New hires will pay $25 per pay period for the initial cost of the new uniforms.

MM
 

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