Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle get some facts before you speak.

[MACH-TUCK]

As a Pinnacle captain I can assure you that we (9E) pilots want a fair integration of all three lists. We all need to just relax and wait till all three MEC's meet next week in DC, then we will know more about whats going to happen. Please don't assume that we ALL are going around spouting off some BS LOA.

 

[ChickenSled]

Pinnacle/Mesaba management would NEVER try that tactic. It would be the equivelant of nuclear war. Remember there are still performance requirements in the Delta agreement and they need to run a very good operation to stay in business. They cannot run any kind of operation if they alienate all the pilots.

You guys all look so cute when you stick your chest out and say stuff like this.

This will all go down the way Garvin and that big brain of his has figured out. If it is good for 9E, 9L, or XJ pilots is irrelevant, Nonconnah doesn't care. What is going to happen will be what is the most financially advantageous for Pinnacle Corp. We can file suit after suit, grievance after grievance, but they will just sit there and smile while it drags on for years and they bask in the knowledge they did what ever they wanted with impunity. On the off chance the pilots win a suit or arbitration three or four years from now, they will counter sue or just plain old ignore it and smile some more as we spend the next few years trying to get it enforced.

The guy who said everyone will stay in their seat and base, you got it right, that is what to expect in the short term. The solution with the least expense is the one you will see.

As to running any kind of operation with "alienated" pilots. They seem to have mastered that trick.

I love it when I get on here and see comments like "these are Mesaba pilots they are dealing with now", "this is a whole new ballgame my friend...", "we can show those rednecks how our superior training department works", et. al. You guys are giving Delta and AA mainline pilots a good run for the most arrogant pilots award. You guys need to calm down because the 9E pilots are going to remember all these remarks.

But what is truly disgusting is some of the bloodlust I've seen from fellow 9E pilots. Just the scent of an upgrade or a hard line has sent some of us into an all out frenzy. I saw on a different board a post by a 9E First Officer (using atrocious spelling and grammar) giving a direct criticism to the Union Chair, saying in essence: "how can you be wasting time giving a good deal to the XJ furloughs when you should be concentrating your efforts on a 4-1 integration." I believe this young man is related to the guy who shot Kennedy. And he is far from the only one saying such things. You guys need to calm down because the XJ pilots are going to remember all these remarks.

In a couple of years when whatever fences might go up come down, we are going to have the most unhappy cockpits in the entire industry.

 

[Mel Sharples]

You I love it when I get on here and see comments like "these are Mesaba pilots they are dealing with now", "this is a whole new ballgame my friend...", "we can show those rednecks how our superior training department works", et. al. You guys are giving Delta and AA mainline pilots a good run for the most arrogant pilots award. You guys need to calm down because the 9E pilots are going to remember all these remarks.

While I don't want to fan the flames either, this is a different pilot group. Have the 9E pilots been through 1113c in bankruptcy? Have you shut the company down for a couple of days to get a new contract? Have the 9E pilots told management to shove it when they dangled the idea of new CRJ flying in return for concessions?

No one is saying we are "better" and we are not trying to be arrogant. But we have been screwed with and screwed over many, many times in the past 15 years and in recent memory we have repeated fought like he11 to preserve what we have. Saying that we aren't going to take crap from Pinnacle management hardly makes us arrogant.

As far as training goes, do your instructors and check airmen go out of their way to help you pass (legally) and more important LEARN something from every training event? Do they go out of their way to make sure they are doing everything by the book? Do they do their jobs and not cave it to pressure from management? Is Pinnacle doing advanced stall training before it is even mandated by the FAA?

Again, it's not that our poop doesn't stink. But we have an excellent training department and the people genuinely care about the pilots. That is not a shot at the Pinnacle pilots but simply pride in our organization.

You'll find that the Mesaba pilots have a lot of pride. If that's arrogant to you, then tough luck.

 

[DoinTime]

Again, it's not that our poop doesn't stink. But we have an excellent training department and the people genuinely care about the pilots. That is not a shot at the Pinnacle pilots but simply pride in our organization.

We got a bunch of rednecks in our training department...doesn't that count for anything?

 

[higney85]

I would say our training dept is pretty darn good. I recently did my LOFT (now on a 6 mo schedule for FO's and CA's) and learned a good bit! Stalls and such are after the simulated flight and even had time for V1 cuts and a SE go around with a TR deployment for practice. Training is just as much the instructor as the student- if you walk out of the box learning something new I would call it successful. I personally know many of the check airman and APD's and they are there for the pilots. I am not knocking the XJ training dept, but will support ours. XJ's safety record should count to show that the training dept at XJ is very good as well.

 

[WildBlue]

Well said.

 

[EL10]

XJ's safety record should count to show that the training dept at XJ is very good as well.

If XJ's impeccable safety record is a reflection of their training department, what does Pinnacle's safety record say about their training department? Pinnacle crashes almost as many planes as FedEx.

 

[higney85]

If XJ's impeccable safety record is a reflection of their training department, what does Pinnacle's safety record say about their training department? Pinnacle crashes almost as many planes as FedEx.

Well that's one less person we all have to compete with trying to fly for purple tail...*sarcasm*

Never say never. I am saying XJ has a great program based on past record, take the compliment and move on.