Mesaba and Compass To Merge

[Superpilot92]

I would bet that NW is looking for some way to dissolve their responsibility of a flow back in the event of a mainline furlough. I cant imagine that 200+ training cycles to accommodate NW furloughees on the E175 is very cheap.

There is wordage that prevents the sale of Compass until certain requirements are met to protect from that. Thats why the flowthrough/back is good because it makes it tougher for mgmt to just furlough at the whim anymore because of the added cost. We shall see.

 

[DoinTime]

There is wordage that prevents the sale of Compass until certain requirements are met to protect from that. Thats why the flowthrough/back is good because it makes it tougher for mgmt to just furlough at the whim anymore because of the added cost. We shall see.

And if you actually knew what those provisions were and how they could be worked around you truly would be a "superpilot".

 

[Superpilot92]

And if you actually knew what those provisions were and how they could be worked around you truly would be a "superpilot".

I will be the first to admit i dont have the NWA/Compass contract in front of me. I have seen it though and should have saved it. From what I remember Compass has to be a specific size, among a number of other provisions. I am sure someone else can chime in here with the rest of it. Sorry i dont have Everything Memorized

 

[SplitBar]

The CRJ900 and the Compass E175 jet have the exact same engines. That allows for benefits that result from a common fleet type even thought it isn't a common fleet.

 

[waterski45]

Nice grammar. All the planes belong to who? Mesaba and Compass are already under one holding company (Mesaba Compass Holdings). There would be some serious contract issues for this to go through. This is a more realistic combo than Republic buying Compass.

Like stated earlier, don't believe this one until it's on paper. It's easy for people to look and say these two should be merged cause they are wholey owned. While it's possible, I wouldn't get too fired up about it yet. Hope your not swimming too long.

Hope you're not swimming too long.

 

[DoinTime]

From what I remember Compass has to be a specific size, among a number of other provisions.

The first premise of Compass is that they do not have to exist at all. Without Compass the number of 76-seaters then reverts back to the lower cap (55 airframes) and something will have to be done about the 7 extra airframes that are currently on order. I would bet they would just get them painted in Delta colors though as that would satisfy the NWA scope provisions.

 

[Moustache]

All you A$$holes do is speculate!!!!!! Get a hobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hollywood82]

Think, think, think, why would anybody in NWA or DAL management want to merge any of the commuters. The whole reason for having them set up the way they are is to stimulate competition. Compass is already using Mesaba's office workers to do a lot of the duplicate office work. What efficiencies would be gained in a merger? Not to pour water on you , but you should be much much more worried about whether or not you will even have a job to go to. The way the airline business is right now we may all be out of a job very soon. It always amazes me that some if the younger folks on this and other boards seem to worry about whether the pilots at Compass, Mesaba, Republic, or Mesa are going to get unfairly ahead. As a pilot new to the 121 world you need to protect yourself with a back up source of income independent of the aviation world. If you are in this business primarily for the money ( I am not saying that you are) you will be very very unhappy during your career.

WOW, what a rant! You are preaching to the choir man. I know regional pay sucks. If I was doing it for the money, do you think I would take a 40K/yr pay cut to go to the regionals?

You never answered my one simple hypothetical question. What would happen to someone in a hiring pool if Mesaba and Compass became one? I never said it would happen, i just asked a hypothetical.

 

[DrewBlows]

WOW, what a rant! You are preaching to the choir man. I know regional pay sucks. If I was doing it for the money, do you think I would take a 40K/yr pay cut to go to the regionals?

You never answered my one simple hypothetical question. What would happen to someone in a hiring pool if Mesaba and Compass became one? I never said it would happen, i just asked a hypothetical.

Quit worrying. A Mesaba/Compass merger only makes sense to a handful of pilots who post on Flightinfo. There are about 100 flaming hoops to jump through before a merger can happen. If you haven't noticed DAL and NWA have more important issues at the moment.

The CRJ900 and the Compass E175 jet have the exact same engines. That allows for benefits that result from a common fleet type even thought it isn't a common fleet.

Splitbar, the CRJ900 and E175 do not have the "exact same engines." The CRJ has the CF34-8C5 while the ERJ has the CF34-8E. They are very, very similar, but there would be minimal savings considering the aircraft the engines are attached to have virtually zero common parts (maybe some fasteners).

 

[flylike44]

Like stated earlier, don't believe this one until it's on paper. It's easy for people to look and say these two should be merged cause they are wholey owned. While it's possible, I wouldn't get too fired up about it yet. Hope your not swimming too long.

you criticize someone's grammar and follow it up with that post? we won't even mention the fact that the mistake in question was made on purpose for the entertainment of others (except you, obviously). idiot.

 

[No.W.]

Such rich history with that famous line...

 

[Heavy Set]

Fresh off the rumor mill express. There is talk on other forums and confirmed through alternate sources that Northwest's contribution to regional consolidation will be the merging of these airlines. So to review:

36 - E175s
36 - CRJ-900s
17 - CRJ-200s
49 - S340s

Quite a diverse fleet for a regional. Your thoughts?

If Northwest parks the DC9s, will those pilots get to bid Saab Captain? I guess there would a flow down, right?

 

[WIPilot]

If Northwest parks the DC9s, will those pilots get to bid Saab Captain? I guess there would a flow down, right?

Well only the number of pilots that have taken the flow up can flow back. So....10 maybe 15 max?

 

[Raskal]

Well only the number of pilots that have taken the flow up can flow back. So....10 maybe 15 max?

I think we've only had 4 flow up...so according to the agreement only 4 can come back...isn't that correct? And as for the bid, they would flow into the same seniority number vacated, so whatever the number would hold is what they could get (anything I would think)

 

[SplitBar]

12 flowed up.

 

[Raskal]

12 flowed up.

Really? Better than I thought. Are they all ANC?

 

[on autopilot]

So if they merge, what happens to Comair in all this?

 

[Superpilot92]

Really? Better than I thought. Are they all ANC?

Most are DC9 and some have already bid the bus.

 

[Superpilot92]

Well only the number of pilots that have taken the flow up can flow back. So....10 maybe 15 max?

Thats correct for Mesaba but 90% of the compass positions are available for flowbacks.

 

[on autopilot]

So I'm thinking with the lack of responses to the Comair question that, they are not going to come out of this too well?