Probably only 93 of the current 220 furloughed will return.
93 is a little specific don't you think
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Probably only 93 of the current 220 furloughed will return.
Please do not congratulate Mesaba on this news. This was planned out way long ago, and we have taken it up the backside for the last 2 years plus. This just goes to show how powerful NWA is, and will continue to be, unless we put a stop to it. The sad thing is, there is no way to take a stand on this. Pilots will keep putting their families first. Management holds all the cards.
This is just another piece of news in a sad string of events for regional carriers.
There should be no congratulations here. Get your PIC time and get the hell off the RED RUDDER!
True, but there was a bit of a hint in the Con. Call yesterday. Wycor said that 14.2M / 600 pilots came out to about $24,000 per pilot. If all furloughed pilots were to be included in the payout the # would have been closer to 750. He also said that the payout range will be in the $20,000 - $28,000 range meaning that they will be taking longivity into factor.
Whats the pay going to be? Something like $11,000 take home a year after you pay for health insurance? Wow, glad you guys got those 900's.
93 is a little specific don't you think![]()
True, but there was a bit of a hint in the Con. Call yesterday. Wycor said that 14.2M / 600 pilots came out to about $24,000 per pilot. If all furloughed pilots were to be included in the payout the # would have been closer to 750. He also said that the payout range will be in the $20,000 - $28,000 range meaning that they will be taking longivity into factor.
That's my point, Mesaba doesn't fall under any of these rules. Some type of LOA will have to be struck at NWALPA. If NWALPA elects not to extend the upper cap and continue to push the compass contract, they will screw NWA pilots. The additional overhead to operate a third regional would bleed millions more out of the NWA wage recapture.
Has there been any word on what this $14.2 million bankruptcy claim will be worth when its cashed out? PCL just got about 80 cents on the dollar for a portion of their claim. This was an unheard of amount for an airline bankruptcy claim. Typical payout is in the 10 cent on the dollar range.
I've been told that furloughed pilots at NW are recieving their portion of the bankructy claim issued to NWALPA.
how is this a violation of their scope? It has a provision for a wholly owned regional, except when that was written, it was suppose to be newco.
With the compas certificate in trouble, I think NWA went looking for an alternative
Thats just my two cents. I think that if they include the provisions forthe NWA furloughs for the new jets, it fits with their scope provisions. But in this case, then a flow through needs to happen as well.
It's a violation because being wholly owned subsidary XJ is required to comply with flow up/down provisions, as well as provide jobs to furloughed NWA pilots per section 1 of the NWA pilots contract. Apparently NWA is refusing to comply with these provisions, which puts XJ with CRJ 900's in violation of our Scope unless they comply.
Thats going to get ugly. The only flow up provision is for furloughed mainliners and the flow down is 100%. What a crap deal.
Thats going to get ugly. The only flow up provision is for furloughed mainliners and the flow down is 100%. What a crap deal.
This is exactly my point. The scope restrictions will cost NWA pilots even more money down the road. If you think you will get back the 76 seat jets, you got another thing coming. There will be no merger of any list. Hey why don't we start a new company to operate each jet individually. We can then hire 72 CEO at $500,000 a piece since the NWA pilots are paying. What part of scope relief costs you money don't you understand?As usualy, YPF, NOT BEING A PILOT AT NWA, has completely mis-read the situation. The NWA pilots are not in a giving mood at all, and there will be NO LOAs regarding any scope relaxation.
This just into newsroom:
NWA management today announced that NWA intends to place 36 CRJ-900 aircraft, operated with 76 seats (12 first class, 64 coach), at Mesaba Airlines.
With Northwest’s previously announced plan to acquire Mesaba, the placement of these aircraft at Mesaba constitutes a violation of Section 1 (scope) of the pilot contract. The NWA MEC has previously advised NWA management that this violation would occur if the aircraft were placed at Mesaba. Absent a swift resolution of this issue, the NWA MEC will be filing the appropriate grievance, which will be processed on an expedited basis.
Don't expect to get this resolved with a mystery LOA in the middle of the night. The NWA pilots have already a$$ canned a large percentage of their LEC reps AND the MEC chairman over the disasterous new contract, so the rest are running scared.
I feel for the XJ guys, but the NWA guys have to protect whats left. If it were up to me, I'd merge the lists and call it done.
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This is exactly my point. The scope restrictions will cost NWA pilots even more money down the road. If you think you will get back the 76 seat jets, you got another thing coming. There will be no merger of any list. Hey why don't we start a new company to operate each jet individually. We can then hire 72 CEO at $500,000 a piece since the NWA pilots are paying. What part of scope relief costs you money don't you understand?