Mesa?

[sgu]

screw mesa

I'd look elsewhere for employment!

 

[BoilerUP]

Boilermaker, another young CFI willing to sell himself and his profession short to fly a jet. Please respond with some childish insults.

I think its rather funny that you find it more important to attack me in this argument than challenge anything I said. Did you read the entire post, especially the part about other airlines hiring? Was anything I said wrong or misleading? Evidently not, cuz you decided to insult me even though you don't know a d@mn thing about me.

You must not have read any of the other posts I have put on this board, about Mesa, Mesaba, XJT, or anything else. I have pointed out on this board before that Mesa *currently* has slightly higher pay than XJT on the EMB-145. Thats not flamebait; thats a FACT. As soon as you guys get your new contract, it won't even be close. I'll be happy for all pilots at XJT when that happens, because you'll get paid closer to what you are really worth. Until then, please quit whining about Mesa's contract - its water under the bridge. Do your part to raise the bar, and in Aug 07 encourage your Mesa ALPA brothers to do the same.

Only thing I can imagine is you didn't get accepted into Purdue, and went to WMU instead. Or maybe you're tired of flying with CAs that went to Purdue. That has to be the cause for your bitterness.

How's that for childish insults?

 

[WmuBronco]

Hmm,, lets see. I called you a young CFI, well that sounds like a huge insult. I bet you are a young CFI. If you are looking to work for that A-hole J.O. then you are selling your profession short. That's all that was said. You on the other hand ripped on my university. The childish response I expected. No, I had no intention of ever attending Purdue. I'm sure it is a fine institution, and have no problem flying with Purdue graduate captians. Only graduates that I prepare for our Riddle. To bad a small group of em, make the rest of them look bad.

As for the rest of your post. I totally agree with everything you mentioned, accept for working for Mesa. Use that Purdue degree to get hired elsewhere.

Good luck

 

[Crizz]

Let me preface this post by saying: I am a "Young CFI" and have no intention of "selling this industry out." I would, however, take a job with Mesa or any other airline that would hire me.

So, here is some food for thought:

Why were the concessions that ACA took (making them the lowest paid in the industry) not seen with such discontent? Instead they are seen as the great beacon of light. It seems another Mesaba type management game is being played with the ACA pilots.

Speaking of Mesaba. Those guys are awesome for standing up for their just compensation. Just as any airline in contract negotiations is awesome for not laying over for management.

However, I dont see how you can speak with such disgust over the contract Mesa flies under when there are numerous examples (mesaba included) that pay their pilots WAY less than those that work for Mesa.

Black is black and white is white. There is so much misinformation circulating through so many people it is hard to know who to believe and who not to.


The plain truth of the matter is that weather it be Comair or Great Lakes, pay in the regionals sucks. One group might make 10% more than the other, pitting everyone aginst everyone else.

Cant Mesa's problems more justly be blamed on a failed ALPA leadership, a failed MEC, and a ferocious management. Pilots took the best they thought they could get.


BTW, BoilerUP. I hope to be in class with you someday. You seem like a good guy. Keep the greasy side down bro!

 

[BoilerUP]

truce?

WMU Bronco - didn't mean to slam Western. Its a great program, I looked into going there myself. Great group of students, and I consider the guys on the flight team friends (our flight teams had a ball at UND last May). I was trying to get under your skin cuz you got under mine by flamebaiting. The "my penis is bigger than yours" university wars are for another day, over beers, during an overnight. Truce?

I find that most people who slam the MAG pilots are grossly misinformed of the circumstances surrounding their contract, and instead focus on the $$$. I agree their contract sucks - so would everybody at Mesa. Its really easy to say that if you were in their shoes you would have gone on strike, but what if you went on strike and all your jobs got shifted to a NON-ALPA, alter-ego airline? Why do you think they hate the Freedumb A list pilots so much? I must give CHQ their props for holding strong against Republic, but it wasn't the same situation. I also agree with Crizz that the Mesa MEC and ALPA National didn't help much - they could have said NO to the contract, but didn't. The MAG pilots got a better contract than what they had and killed Freedom - and I honestly think that was their biggest concern.

I will NOT whore myself out and lower the bar of this profession, but I don't think working for Mesa constitutes either. That being said, I would like to fly for Airnet before getting hired on at Comair, but I'll use the Purdue hookups I have to try to get on at Chautauqua. I don't want to risk moving out west to work for Mesa, but I will NOT discount any airline at this point, in this current economy. To do so would be to sell myself short. I think PFT, nepotism and "golden kneepads" are bigger concerns. Also, it seems to me that Mesa pilots don't hate their jobs unlike their counterparts at Eagle. To some people, I suppose happiness means more than $$$, and the two aren't mutually exclusive.

One could make the argument that American Eagle lowered the bar by signing such a long-term contract, people constantly make the argument that Mesa lowered it with their contract, and the same could be said if Mid-Atlantic pilots fly those EMB-190s for as low wages as claimed on this board. I think people take out their anger at Jonathan Orienstein on the MAG pilots. Everybody who has any sort of stake in the future of commercial aviation should be hoping and praying JO gets taken down by the Feds over his aborted ACA takeover.

I wish everybody at XJET the very best on their upcoming contract. Just please, leave the Mesa guys alone. They know what you think of them. You can only beat a dying horse so long.....

 

[Flyforyou]

So, here is some food for thought:

Why were the concessions that ACA took (making them the lowest paid in the industry) not seen with such discontent? Instead they are seen as the great beacon of light. It seems another Mesaba type management game is being played with the ACA pilots.


News to me...

 

[C150Heavy]

Captain in three months

I just made Captain in three months with Mesa on the 1900. My new hire gs was in Oct 2003 and I've been on the line for a month. I'm making $18.15 and once I up grade I'll make $28.72. That's in a 13 bid year and this month I have 11 days off. I came to Air Mid West with 2100+, ATP. I hope to be here two years and then to SWA. I talked to a SW guy who helps with the interviewing and he told me they are favoring prop Captains. I would tell you to go anywhere you can upgrade fast and get your PIC.

Good luck to you Purdue.

 

[WmuBronco]

My hatred is for J.O. and his slackies(Freedumb pilots), no anger for Mesa pilots. Believe me the economy is getting better, they'll be much better choices for jobs.

 

[C150Heavy]

WmuBronco
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My hatred is for J.O. and his slackies(Freedumb pilots), no anger for Mesa pilots.
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Why don't you tell your buddy Mr. McPickleDickle this?

 

[fuzzy077]

Regional option for you

Why dont you check out Great Lakes Airlines... they historically hire low time guys and the airlines love to hire Lakes captains. It's an easy way to build flight time quickly. Upgrage time is pretty quick and the company will be around forever. They are like a cockroach and will never die. I'm sure they're hiring right now too.