Mesa

[WalterSobchak]

I'd say relax and don't worry about it. The number of pilots walking around with HUGE chips on their shoulders just salivating over the thought of denying a jumpseat to a pilot from "Carrier X" or "non-scab list Y" are so small they may as well not even exist.

But, if they could hide behind a keyboard when making the denial instead of having to look the guy in the eye...they'd be all over it.

 

[Abernathy]

Ok. What will get us in your jumpseat?

I look forword to bloodying your nose there Rush so lets comense! I don't have to show until 3:30. Putting idiots in there place is sort of hoby.

"Comense"? Seriously?

 

[johndog]

LOL !!!!!!!!!

Another violent Mesa pilot.

I new someone would misinterpret what I wrote. I'm talking about a debate. Not violence. You know my facts against his opinion sort of thing via this web board, not the parking lot.

I'm incredibly tired of the ignorance from some pilots. I neither signed that last contract nor voted for it. I was here shortly after it was signed. I went to MAPD. Of which I'm proud of, was an excellent school- I'm sure still is. I had a chance to go to the original Freedum. I did not. I waited in Farmington for a good long while until the contract was settled and Mesa was hiring. Paying my student loans and washing anybodies airplane who would let me fly with them. Some did not make this choice. Those people will be on that list forever. That is their punishment. It is those pilots who deserve your scorn. And to the degree that you don't make this distinction the list becomes valueless. The people who are responsible are never held liable. We have one CAPT on the ERJ. ALL OTHERS on the ERJ are not A listers. Said CPT is not JFK based.

What really pisses me off though since I was put on the Freedum Cert is the treatment I get from other pilots. As if Freedum A was alive and well. When in fact I, and many others, stayed away from Freedum. Yet we are painted with the same brush. In addition we got raped on our last contract to win back scope. You have no idea what it is like to suffer under JO. We have at times stopped his BS other times not. My opinion not enough. Flying 737 s for nothing etc...We also suffer with ambiguous language in our contract that has been terribly exploited. We were awarded a decision that would have stopped line holders being arbitrarily pulled from there flying. But of course that is contested.

I have never understood that hatred some feel for Mesa pilots. Because were perceived as letting JO do what ever he wants. A scape goat you use to blame your own negotiating failures. Human nature. All three, I don't know. I'd like to see what your pilot group could do against him.

That being said it will not be the same scenario during these negotiations. People who quite have. Some are with family and mortgage and can't just leave for any where. Others have just been upgraded and would be foolish to leave before there thousand. New hires know what there getting into usually. I challenge you haters to rethink your resentment and place it where it belongs. Pointed at JO and his A list enablers.

 

[10nCLR]

As much as it pains me to defend Freedumb...



I swear...if we were to have a nuclear war tonight with the Russians...the only things that would survive would be cockroaches, Keith Richards, and Mesa Air Group.

and the Kool-Aid Man!!!!!!

Ooh! YEAAH!

 

[rod farva]

and the Kool-Aid Man!!!!!!

Ooh! YEAAH!

Holy crap. That avatar is hilarious.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I have never understood that hatred some feel for Mesa pilots. Because were perceived as letting JO do what ever he wants. A scape goat you use to blame your own negotiating failures. Human nature. All three, I don't know. I'd like to see what your pilot group could do against him.

I think johndog wins the thread...

 

[outtahere]

I new someone would misinterpret what I wrote. I'm talking about a debate. Not violence. You know my facts against his opinion sort of thing via this web board, not the parking lot.

I'm incredibly tired of the ignorance from some pilots. I neither signed that last contract nor voted for it. I was here shortly after it was signed. I went to MAPD. Of which I'm proud of, was an excellent school- I'm sure still is. I had a chance to go to the original Freedum. I did not. I waited in Farmington for a good long while until the contract was settled and Mesa was hiring. Paying my student loans and washing anybodies airplane who would let me fly with them. Some did not make this choice. Those people will be on that list forever. That is their punishment. It is those pilots who deserve your scorn. And to the degree that you don't make this distinction the list becomes valueless. The people who are responsible are never held liable. We have one CAPT on the ERJ. ALL OTHERS on the ERJ are not A listers. Said CPT is not JFK based.

What really pisses me off though since I was put on the Freedum Cert is the treatment I get from other pilots. As if Freedum A was alive and well. When in fact I, and many others, stayed away from Freedum. Yet we are painted with the same brush. In addition we got raped on our last contract to win back scope. You have no idea what it is like to suffer under JO. We have at times stopped his BS other times not. My opinion not enough. Flying 737 s for nothing etc...We also suffer with ambiguous language in our contract that has been terribly exploited. We were awarded a decision that would have stopped line holders being arbitrarily pulled from there flying. But of course that is contested.

I have never understood that hatred some feel for Mesa pilots. Because were perceived as letting JO do what ever he wants. A scape goat you use to blame your own negotiating failures. Human nature. All three, I don't know. I'd like to see what your pilot group could do against him.

That being said it will not be the same scenario during these negotiations. People who quite have. Some are with family and mortgage and can't just leave for any where. Others have just been upgraded and would be foolish to leave before there thousand. New hires know what there getting into usually. I challenge you haters to rethink your resentment and place it where it belongs. Pointed at JO and his A list enablers.

When you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. Everyone knew what Mesa was and is. If you chose to go to Mesa that makes you a me first person, willing to do whatever it takes to jump ahead and skip the line. Now that everybody that you tried to skip is throwing your a$$ under the bus and laughing as it runs over you, you get offended. Well to damn bad! Mesa and Mesa pilots have single handedly been the drag down anchor on the wages in this industry for the last ten years, and now that there is a chance that that scummy, sorry ass place could close down, it is very exciting. Never again will any mgmt. be able to say, "Well Mesa flys it for this, we think you should too!". Now we will be able to say hey look the lowest cost losers went out of business because they sucked, is that what you want for our airline? So yes, it sucks that you will lose your job, but you chose to try to skip the line and chase after that quick upgrade on the sh!ttiest airline on the planet, and now you are paying for your decision.

 

[79%N1]

Mesa and Mesa pilots have single handedly been the drag down anchor on the wages in this industry for the last ten years, and now that there is a chance that that scummy, sorry ass place could close down, it is very exciting. Never again will any mgmt. be able to say, "Well Mesa flys it for this, we think you should too!".

Well said, and don't for a second think this does not happen. I have been through two negotiations with two airlines. Both times the Mesa PWA was slapped on the desk, and managements requests were the provisions in the Mesa contract for pay, days off, per diem, lack of duty rigs, trip rigs, min day, deadhead pay and cancellations! This is where management was drawing the line as "industry standard"!

Not to mention, at my first airline, every day we turned around one of our old routes was now being flown by a Mesa RJ, as ours eroded. They also took all of the Florida flying and bases for that company!

So............No tears here.

 

[johndog]

Ah yes the old (and tired) line jumping rif. What line? I skipped no line. Is going to chq line jumping? Skywest? They have quick up grades. I simply went to a flight school, one of many. I don't know or frankly care which rj outfit you drive for. But if you chose to go to one with a long up grade then that was your choice. Out of curiosity are all regionals exceptable but Mesa? Or is there a list of unapproved carriers we should all stay away from? Please sir share your valued opinion. You know so no one else falls below your approval.

I don't doubt that managements uses our scales as a negotiating tactic. I think if you look around you will see that Mesa, CHQ, Transtates etc all are about the same cost. Yet Mesa receives 99% of the scorn. I stand by eveything I posted that you qouted.

Shame on any one who would be happy about someone loosing there job.

I'm having to use my phone so appologies for spelling.

 

[go!ng for broke]

I'm having to use my phone so appologies for spelling.[/quote]

STILL ON THE ROAD OR JUST NOT HOME YET??

 

[johndog]

I'm having to use my phone so appologies for spelling.

STILL ON THE ROAD OR JUST NOT HOME YET??[/quote]

Is this an attempt at humor?

 

[79%N1]

I think if you look around you will see that Mesa, CHQ, Transtates etc all are about the same cost. Yet Mesa receives 99% of the scorn. I stand by eveything I posted that you qouted.

I'll give you Trans States, but harldy CHQ! Their contract BURY'S yours at Mesa....check into it!

So, add GeauxJets, and you have your list.

 

[johndog]

Notice I used the term "cost". It costs Mesa a lot of money for TDY (temporary duty) and JR assignments as well as all the other inefficient stuff soc does. Example: They are currently offering Mesa CRJ guys TDY in JFK. In order to switch certificates they need to do 3 Sim sessions, a week of ground school, and 20 hrs of IOE- Just to get them able to operate on the Freedom side. Not to mention there hotel will be paid 24 hrs for 120 days in New York no less + 24hr perdium. All this just for temporary duty up to 120 days!!!!

CHQ is defiantly a better company granted. So in your eyes there a three of us. Al right.

Bottom line NO Mesa pilot defends the company. Though I defend the pilot group when un fairly attacked. I laid out earlier how we got to where we were in our contract and who was to blame.

You never answered my question. What line? And were pilots that chose other regionals that were marginally better than ours line jumpers in your eyes as well? And if so are you as vocal about them. Are you 70% vocal. 50%. Or is it just simple time and I'll just blame Mesa as if they were all A listers cause its easier for me to keep track? I wonder.

Please explain to me the line jumping charge?

 

[hawkowl88]

Wrong

John Dog you are just flat out wrong on your belief that other airline management didn't use Mesa's contract as a negotiating cattle prod. Bottom line is that Mesa undercut the competition (i.e; fellow pilots) so less experienced pilots could fly for less money.

I'm a former Mesa pilot from '97 - '98, and I got out as soon as I recognized (Left in 5 months and had another job lined up within 3 months) the piece of ******************** operation it was then and is now.

America is a brutal place with our competition and cutthroat capitalism. I for one, will be cheering when Mesa bites the big one.

 

[labbats]

I would argue with JohnDog, but I'm convinced he's either flamebait or quite possibly the worst speller and thinker in the entire regional industry.

 

[johndog]

I don't doubt that managements uses our scales as a negotiating tactic

Heres my statement from the above post, please read closer. I did not challenge his assertion I agreed with it.

My entire point is the abuse thrown at our pilot group is BS. A statement like I feel bad for the pilots but we'd all be better off if Mesa went away. This would be fair (I feel this way, and have said exactly this 200 times). Heres the no $hitter- Either we fix this place or it needs to burn down. It appears it is burning. But some of the insults I endure are so out of line I won't accept them. Not now, not ever. I normally stay far away from the children's forum (regional board) but because of this impending parking of my airplane I'm keeping a close eye on all the places that may contain information. Including the children's board.

Why do I call it the children's board. Read some of these posts I've been replying too.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

"Comense"? Seriously?

It's a "hoby"...:laugh:

 

[pdub20s]

I don't doubt that managements uses our scales as a negotiating tactic

Heres my statement from the above post, please read closer. I did not challenge his assertion I agreed with it.

My entire point is the abuse thrown at our pilot group is BS. A statement like I feel bad for the pilots but we'd all be better off if Mesa went away. This would be fair (I feel this way, and have said exactly this 200 times). Heres the no $hitter- Either we fix this place or it needs to burn down. It appears it is burning. But some of the insults I endure are so out of line I won't accept them. Not now, not ever. I normally stay far away from the children's forum (regional board) but because of this impending parking of my airplane I'm keeping a close eye on all the places that may contain information. Including the children's board.

Why do I call it the children's board. Read some of these posts I've been replying too.

John,

I find that arguing with folks on this board is pretty useless. They don't represent the consensus of the different pilot groups out there. You just got to let the BS roll off your back. and arguing with these folks is a never ending battle. Ive given up

 

[T-prop]

John,

I find that arguing with folks on this board is pretty useless. They don't represent the consensus of the different pilot groups out there. You just got to let the BS roll off your back. and arguing with these folks is a never ending battle. Ive given up

Pdub, for once you are soo right. Your effort is much better spent trying to leave Mesa, instead of defending it.

 

[FSIGRAD]

During the Bankruptcy concession talks at Mesaba the Mesa contract was constantly being refered to by management as their goal. At first they were crazy enough to ask for Mesa -5%. Just another example...