Mesa upgrades

[OneTuffGuy]

hey hud does it hurt every month when you have to bend over and get your paycheck? the only reason you work for MESA is because you cant hired anywhere else

 

[3585CuRRenT]

Get in touch with [email protected]...they're hiring!

 

[timw777]

Don't be a sell out

Here is yet another reason why JO and his cronies can continue to reduce our profession to the poor state we find ourselves in.

Sled why not ask yourself this simple question

Can you look at yourself in the mirror every day and be proud to have taken the only job that was out there right now?

Why not wait until something comes around with class and a pilot group with big balls.

DONT BE A SELLOUT

 

[210FR8DOG]

alright you terdheads, I'm sick of this crap. I'm in the same position as sled only with more hours. Sent resumes to every Tom, Dick and Harry-A$$ (except Pinnacle, don't get me started)airline as soon as I got 200 multi.(in April) update by faxing, e-mailing and snail mail every 100 hours. NO RESPONSES FROM ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So am I suppose to keep flyin these 27,000 hour Barons for 20k with my ankles and knees burnin and my fingers and ears froze cause the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** heater works great under the panel but its so drafty you have to wear a snow suit? And all of this at 3am!! $300 bucks a month to send my daughter home to see her real mom cause I got NO FLIGHT BENEFITS other than the joy of landing in LUK every night. You little frick and fracks have all the answers don't you!! I know, I'll just wait here til ASA comes callin' next week! YEAH RIGHT!! Oh, did I mention a 10-year captain at Comair walked my resume in there? That was 2 months ago. Still waiting. "Air Wisconsin is hiring with as little as 1500 hours" hahahahah if your frickin' dad works there and you know at least 3 other pilots with LORs!! "don't use a regional to gain experience for another regional" Why the hell not? Do you think they'll be impressed with 3000 hours of Baron time? SURE THEY WILL!! Whatever. Yeah, I'll just keep flyin freight for a few more years and wait for my dream airline to come callin'. Or I could try to go to Mesa, fly some turbine equipment for the same 20k I'm making anyway, get some 121 experience and keep applying at ASA or wherever. Does anyone start out as a manager just because they want to real bad? NO!!! First you make crew leader, then assistant manager, then manager. "do whatever it takes to get on with a company you can be proud of" You mean like getting some 121/turbine time to be competitive? If you wise guys have a better idea for a freight dog to make it happen, I'm all ears. Until then I'll see you at Mesa!!!!(If I get the interview and pass it) It pisses me off all the simplistic answers everyone has from the outside. Mostly from people who are already flying jets and have a little leverage to use on a resume. I'm done. UUUUUUUGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!

 

[hyperboy]

yufhdb

Very nice. I am sure a lot of these guys have not done the time like you have heck some of them are probably paid for training. How many of you were cfi's prior to ......They can't mind their own business. You go!!!!!!!!!!!Some of these guys probably have not had to see some of these operations that are way worse than mesa will ever be but they don't know cause if they did...they would keep quiet. Go fr8do!!!g

 

[acaTerry]

The Mesa Pilots are not your problem. Never have been, never will be.

Yes, Mesa IS the problem. Like it or not, Mesa is a CANCER and you are a cancer cell.

but yet an INCREASE for us post 9-11)

Meager increase in salary + a lower monthly (ooooh, excuse me! BID gaurantee--2 day difference = pathetic excuse to try to sell as a pay increase. At least thats how it was explained to me by a Mesa pilot.
BTW, your BE1900 CA max pay is lower than a several year FO at CMR. Way to negotiaite pal.....


I think Mr. Skeen is leading you on a pipe dream.

I'd rather be part of a pipe dream than a living nightmare.....read that Mesa takeover.

SO, let's ride this thing out, let's stick together as PILOTS regardless of who we work for, and work to improve our profession as a WHOLE....

Oh, now after all you have to say to those of us who think a pilot is worth more than an a$$ pounding with a little sand sprinkled on......now you want to be everyones buddy and leader. Go away and climb back in bed with JO. How dare you chew us out and then come on talking about IMPROVING the profession. After you ruined it. Can you possibly be more hypocritical?

 

[DEVO]

Yes, some of us have "PAID OUR DUES". How about 2000 hours of dual given? How about being told "If you won't do it, we can always get somebody else". How about hiring minimums of 2000 hours total and 500 multi. Yea I know, "I've walked 15 miles through blowing snow, without any shoes on, to go to school".
Aviation is cyclical, at certain times, it is easier to get a job. That is the nature of the industry. When there is a glut of pilots, everybodies hiring minimums go up and the snakes roll out their "Neat Little cost reduction programs" (Like pay for training, training contracts, aviation "Flight Academies"). I would much rather work with somebody who had the "INTEGRITY" to stick out a lower paying position, than to work with some one who compromised their values in order to get "Turbine Time". Life is hard- once you get past that, it gets easier. Don't sell yourself short. Maintain your integrity and don't compromise your values or your standards. In the end, You will feel better for it.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Gonna P my pants

Good god, the high and mighty speak. Usually coming from a guy who thinks "selling out" and "lowering the Bar" doesn't include flying RJ's to replace a 737 or similar mainline A/C. Even funnier is a guy who PROBABLY BOUGHT HIS JOB to begin with. PFT ho's telling others to be brave..... Ki$$ my A$$! Sell out, you gotta be kidding....BTW Where is the "gotta hold the line" BS? Did PSA sell out to get jets where F28's/100's and 732 once flew?????

 

[DEVO]

Trolling for flamers 'Eh,
If your gonna "Walk the Walk" you had better be able to back it. Have you ever quit a job for safety reasons? Have you ever been involved in a Unionization effort? Have you ever volunteered for your union? How many funerals have you gone to? How many times have you been merged (And yes I'm talking about seniority integration without the "Whipsaw")? How many times have you refused an airplane? Have you ever called in "Fatigued"?
The problem with aviation is that we tend to prostitue ourselves in order to be "Competitive". Some of us won't play that game. If you plan on "Getting the BIG job" by putting in your time at some second rate carrier- that is up to you. The state of the economy and the glut of pilots looking for jobs right now probably means that the regional airline you are currently with is where you're gonna' be for a while. With that reality, Shouldn't you actually be working to "Improve" your airline, not only for yourself but also for the folks who come through the door behind you?
Personally, I would rather work for a place that I choose based upon it's merits. You talk about the "Lowering of the bar" with respect to main line carriers. In case you have been living in a cave somewhere- The business model has changed! The days of operating 737 with 25 people on board are GONE, bye-bye, never to come back. It is called "Economic Darwinism" and if you don't adapt, you're gone. In case you missed it somewhere, I'll explain it, even though it hurts: Low Cost Carriers making money hand over fist- Legacy carriers bleeding red ink all over the place. Low cost carrier sets the fares and makes money vs Legacy carrier matching low cost and loseing money. Legacy carriers have to borrow money at extremely high interest rates (And God only knows how they will pay it back) in order to keep business afloat. Low cost carrier cash rich. I'll let you figure out the rest but remember one thing- if you are providing feed for one of the legacy carriers, your fortunes rise or fall with that carrier.
Good luck, I wish the best to you in your aviation carreer.

 

[taloft]

Ok, so I'm curious.

What should a guy who has 2000 total and 500 multi do? Continue instructing for $15k/year with no pay increase, being paid for 6 hours out of every 12 at the airport, no medical benefits, no vacation, building piston time after 3 years of already doing this in survival mode? Let's not even mention the pay reduction due to the oncoming winter weather.

Or go to Mesa, who is apparently the only regional to show interest in the last 2 years, get a pay raise, fly larger equipment, get medical benefits and vacation while gaining part 121 experience? It's easy to call Mesa the bottom when you're above it. The truth is, there's a whole bottom below even Mesa and climbing out of it is not based on experience.

Yes, there are better regionals out there hiring, but what if they're not calling?

Why should someone not try to improve their working conditions? To many instructors, Mesa looks like an improvement.

Many of you calling Mesa bad, already have had your lucky break to move up. What about the rest of us that have been waiting it out? What alternatives would you suggest? I know people who have sent resumes into every place they can think of, including many alternatives you might suggest. What would you tell them if all those "better" places don't call back and Mesa does?

What would you tell someone who is at the true bottom rung, has bills to pay, and Mesa calls?

 

[acaTerry]

What should I a guy who has 2000 total and 500 multi do? Continue instructing for $15k/year with no pay increase, being paid for 6 hours out of every 12 at the airport, no medical benefits, no vacation, building piston time after 3 years of already doing this in survival mode? Let's not even mention the pay reduction due to the oncoming winter weather.

See DEVO's post.....the message is clear.

"Maturity is the ability to accept delayed gratification"

 

[eaglefly]

IMO in one way, I for one am thankful for Mesa and "Johnny smooth talk".

Before this pilot group willingly hopped in the sack with the new Lorenzo, our pilot group was the "goat" of the industry.

AMR was successful in making our field of grass the driest and worst tasting of all the fields that regional pilots eat out of.

Smooth boy has convinced this group to eat the dirt we left behind for the promise of tearing down as many fences as he can to let them feed on other groups left over dirt.

He's publicly pledged to become THE lowest cost provider of regional feed in the U.S. and seems to have every regional carriers pilots are in his sights. The Mesa pilots simply gave him the ammo for his guns...and forever hoisted themselves to the highest pinnicle in the airline pilots "hall of shame".

I doubt ANYONE will ever climb higher (lower).

Our 16-year CBA looks pretty darn good caompared to their embarassing garbage - and that's not something to be proud of.

You wan't to go to Mesa ?

Anyone who would want to, deserves it.

I think they aren't even worth the contract they're working under now.

It should be less.

 

[WhiteCloud]

What should a guy who has 2000 total and 500 multi do? Continue instructing for $15k/year with no pay increase, being paid for 6 hours out of every 12 at the airport, no medical benefits, no vacation, building piston time after 3 years of already doing this in survival mode? Let's not even mention the pay reduction due to the oncoming winter weather.

Or go to Mesa, who is apparently the only regional to show interest in the last 2 years, get a pay raise, fly larger equipment, get medical benefits and vacation while gaining part 121 experience? It's easy to call Mesa the bottom when you're above it. The truth is, there's a whole bottom below even Mesa and climbing out of it is not based on experience.

I repectfully disagree with many who say you shouldn't take a job at MESA. You need the turbine and line experience to be considered for the better jobs. Sure, you might run into someone on a hiring board that has a problem with MESA pilots. Without the experience you won't get to the board in the first place. We need to change the industry from within and not place the burden on new hire pilots.

 

[210FR8DOG]

Taloft, good question. Put in a much more diplomatic fashion than my ranting and raving post.

I rest my case: ACATerry, Devo, eaglefly all giving us some good advice.........FROM THE COCKPIT OF A JET!!!!!!!! And I didn't even go back to the beginning of the thread. That was just responses from my whining post above!!

Would anyone like to come fly this Baron for me for a few more years and keep up that "hold to your values" talk? I didn't think so.

My dad doesn't fly for an airline(he doesn't even fly) I don't know anyone at any airline. When I feel like there might be a prayer of a miniscule chance of getting a call from a better carrier, I'll bypass Mesa. Waiting for the phone to ring............................................................................................................................................................................................................

 

[acaTerry]

I repectfully disagree with many who say you shouldn't take a job at MESA. You need the turbine and line experience to be considered for the better jobs.

Keep it up and there will BE NO BETTER JOBS.

I rest my case: ACATerry, Devo, eaglefly all giving us some good advice.........FROM THE COCKPIT OF A JET!!!!!!!!

Nice try pal! We put ungodly amounts of prop time to do any jet flying. IOW.....we earned it. Did not whore out and make anything better an impossibility because we "wanted a jet" or "thought we deserved it".
Boo Frickety Hoo!