MESA Rwy Excursion??

[Knob]

Anybody know anything about MESA going off the runway in KS?? I heard a rumor that on 9/22 a MESA aircraft ran off the end of the runway in Kansas, and wondered if anybody has any details?

 

[Rottweiller]

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** Report created 9/23/2004 Record 1 **
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IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 178YV Make/Model: B190 Description: 1900 (C-12J)
Date: 09/22/2004 Time: 0440

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Minor

LOCATION
City: GARDEN CITY State: KS Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT, AMW 4698, CANCELLED IFR AND WHILE LANDING ON RWY 35 AT GARDEN CITY
REGIONAL AIRPORT (GCK), LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL. ACFT WENT OFF THE LEFT
SIDE OF THE RWY. MINOR DAMAGE AND NO INJURIES IS REPORTED. GARDEN CITY, KS


INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 2 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 7 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: SPECI KGCK 220432K AUTO 06003KT 2SM +RA BR SCT015 SCT021 OVC041 14/14 A3006



OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Landing Operation: Air Taxi (Commuter)

Departed: DDC Dep Date: 09/22/2004 Dep. Time: 0405
Destination: GARDEN CITY, KS Flt Plan: IFR Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: UNKN
Last Clearance: UNKNM

FAA FSDO: WICHITA, KS (CE07) Entry date: 09/22/2004

 

[starcheck1]

.....shouldn't have let the FO land in that WX...

 

[Relic01]

By the way it was not the FO flying and it was an Air Midwest flight. Fortunately, neither the crew nor pax received any injuries/fatalities. Good luck to both crew member.

 

[Propsync]

By the way it was not the FO flying and it was an Air Midwest flight.

Right, a Mesa flight, got it.

Suprised Mesa doesn't fly the 1900 single pilot anymore.... That should be enough...

 

[T-Gates]

.....shouldn't have let the FO land in that WX...

Whats so earth-shattering about that weather why the FO shouldn't land?? Especially now that we've found out he was PNF???

 

[chperplt]

Might have had the nose wheel steering linkage deferred... Free castering mode is always an incident waiting to happen.

Maybe not.....

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I wouldn't be too quick to cast a stone on this one. Wind was light and visibility 2 miles. Mesa doesn't have a sterling reputation for MX. I've never flown a 1900 but if the guy landed and the nosewheel steering wasn't functioning properly I'm not sure how many of you aces out there would have been able to bring it to stop on the runway.

 

[SMOE]

I wouldn't be too quick to cast a stone on this one. Wind was light and visibility 2 miles. Mesa doesn't have a sterling reputation for MX. I've never flown a 1900 but if the guy landed and the nosewheel steering wasn't functioning properly I'm not sure how many of you aces out there would have been able to bring it to stop on the runway.

Amen...

 

[trip]

How do you cancel IFR while landing with 2 miles vis?

 

[boxjockey]

How do you cancel IFR while landing with 2 miles vis?

Yeah baby.

box

 

[Fallingbrick]

1. Landing with a nose wheel steering MEL is no big deal. I wouldn’t call it common, but anyone with some 1900 time has seen it.

2. Any 121 FO should be able to land in that weather. (Moot point anyway because he/she was PNF)

3. I also wonder why they canceled IFR in flight with 2sm and +RA. But then again, non of us were there.

 

[nck4857]

Same thing happend at MHK about 6 months ago, right???

 

[khsgt]

Mmmmmm.........

Same thing happend at MHK about 6 months ago, right???

I actually think this is #3 this year.....And we arn't allowed to cancel in the air even if its severe clear....if they did they are fubar'd.

 

[jobear]

YD on?

 

[chperplt]

YD on?

Even if it was, a quick push of the button would/should/could have taken care of it the problem..

 

[starcheck1]

Whats so earth-shattering about that weather why the FO shouldn't land?? Especially now that we've found out he was PNF???

At that time the GENERAL public didn't know it wasn't the FO...and now the thought is why would anyone run of the runway in the WX anyway...sounds good to me...good thing no one is hurt and good luck to the pilots....maybe MX is to blame

 

[Beantown]

Man are people quick to jump to a bunch of B$ll S$it with NO FACTS! -Bean

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Face it. It could have been a lot of things. What if the fuel controller failed and dumped a bunch of fuel into the engine just before the nosewheel touched the pavement? It would be the same thing as the PNF shoving one power lever to the stop. Would you have the presence of mind to quickly shut down that engine as you're headed for the weeds?

I'm not trying to defend the pilots involved. Could have been totally preventable as some have speculated. But for right now, none of us has a clue and it's bad karma to be taking potshots. Same thing could happen to you on your next trip.

Fly (and land) safe.

 

[chperplt]

What if the fuel controller failed and dumped a bunch of fuel into the engine just before the nosewheel touched the pavement?

Wow... I never thought about that one. What if?????