Mesa pilots gleeful at the prospect of taking over some of XJT's current flying

[DC8 Flyer]

WSurf is always poping off, I wonder what makes him think his sh!t dont stink?

He's hung like a field mouse! imp:

 

[WSurf]

I thought Piedmont is a Mesa feeder.

GSP-CLT Dash8 and on to CLT-MCI on a Mesa CRJ900.

That makes you Mesa Express. Am I missing something?

Sure your missing something!! We make more money flying the prop that holds 37 then you do on that 900!!! Loser!!!

 

[WSurf]

He's hung like a field mouse! imp:

It's a light switch, get it right!!!! lol

 

[JetLinkin Park]

Come on, quit baggin on Mesa.

 

[WSurf]

I thought Piedmont is a Mesa feeder.

GSP-CLT Dash8 and on to CLT-MCI on a Mesa CRJ900.

That makes you Mesa Express. Am I missing something?

Yep, you are missing something! You missing a paycheck! We are flying a 37 seat Prop Airplane and making the same if not more money then you are flying a 86 seat jet! Now thats funny!!! Your missing something alright.... its called the big picture. In the words of the great Fred Sanford, "You big dummy"

 

[LucyFurr]

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Re: Rumors Rumors Rumors « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2006, 11:58:30 AM »
Quote from: BeechDriver on March 18, 2006, 11:46:15 AM
... I would hate to see CoEx loose the flying as they are a dang good airline but..........


It has nothing to do with someone else loosing flying , but everything to do with Mesa growing stronger. Or should we give up some of our flying so someone else can grow.....I think not

!

Until you are actually getting paid by someone other than Mesa you ought to be concerned about your position here, and not getting furloughed here, due to someone elses flying. This is a business and it is competition! May the better team win!

 

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Re: Rumors Rumors Rumors « Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 11:32:18 AM »
I hear that Mesa booked the ERJ sims solid for the next year... and paid cash in advance. You know its serious if mesa paid in advance

 

[Captain X]

Um...all that stuff you posted is all jacked up. There is a "Preview Post" button right next to submit. Try it out!

Of course judging from your other 3 posts, I'm 102.1% sure that this was just flamebait, but even when you are gonna do that, at least proof your post.

 

[Soverytired]

Just remember this

The annonymous posts of a couple of dudes on a webboard accurately represent the views of almost 2000 Mesa pilots.


(NOT)

 

[DashCojones]

Oh yea it is!

You really are stupid, aren't you? You're angry because you're stuck at a regional with 6,500 hours. What's the problem, can't get hired anywhere else? So you log onto webboards and bitch about the regional industry to make yourself feel better and important. Perhaps a good look in the mirror will reveal the cause of your troubles.

...I'm patiently awaiting your "I'm perfectly happy flying a Piedmont Dash for the rest of my pathetic life" reply.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

I wonder what the AirWhiskey guys and gals wrote after they paid to take over the flying of Mesa in the USAir east system by paying to get USAir out of BK. If you don't I do....

I remember those contentious board meetings with about 4500 pilots from both airlines yelling and screaming. I remember the Whiskey MEC Chair whipping out his checkbook and saying how much would it take to get rid of Mesa then all H3ll erupted; it was like the floor of the NYSE I tell ya.

Pilots don't get to make those decisions. They make the plane go up and make the plane go down. If mesa's pilots get too good a contract and thereby makes Mesa too expensive in the future (I know, I'm a dreamer), they'll be out of a job too. Bitching about their contract is one thing, bitching about a couple of pilots being happy about their airline acquiring routes is Gay bitching; which would make you a, umh, well, gay bitch.

You Flamer!

 

[WSurf]

AirWhiskey told United to go fuk themselves and invested into US Airways. Mesa however will low ball anyone at the expense of there pilot group. Its not about where and who you fly for, but how low your willing to go at the expense of the rest of the industry! Mesa has shown in the past, and will continue to show in the future the ability to bend over and take it in the arse for J.O.!
For you to compare AirWhiskey to Mesa shows just how fukin gay and dumb you are to the industry.
You guys have a chance to fix your contract, lets see what you do now that the ball is in your court!!! I am beating that you will sell the farm, and further lower the bar for the regional pilots!
And you wonder why your pilot group is sooo hated!!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Blah blah blah, Surf buddy, you got some spit on the screen.....

It ain't about pilots. Its about business. Whiskey's pilot group didn't have any say in flying for Airways, they just went where the base opened. So did Skywest, so did XJT, so did ASA, so did Comair, so did TSA, etc, etc....

Mesa pilots don't have any say in who they get to fly for, they took a job and now they must do it.

JO is a bastard its true. And he got the best of MAG pilots by opening up F8 and whipsawing with an alter ego carrier so now they have to do better in the next contract also true.

And now, oh my God! a mesa pilot or two is speculating about their future because of what is happening at XJT... Must crucify them!!

So, I guess what you're telling me is that we are all one big brotherhood of altruistic pilots and that it is evil to ever muse about ones own future when another company is losing market share? What are you, 12 years old?

 

[wscrj]

careful grog...

to much rational thinking on this board will got you....frustrated.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Just tired of flame baters spouting off like they know it all.

 

[WSurf]

It ain't about pilots.

Oh yea it is!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Grog, I guess what you do not understand is that you have the opportunity to not work for a scumbag at a company that does not respect its pilots and pays them crap. By doing this the whole industry suffers. It not only sounds like you have no problem with it but you are screaming that you are in favor of it and screw everybody else. That is the problem other pilots have with your group. "Its not my fault I work for a bad man." Bull$hit. Quit. Bring the thing to a screaming halt.

What it looks like is you are just week, unable to stand up for yourself as a self respecting human being with some self worth.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

WSurf is always poping off, I wonder what makes him think his sh!t dont stink?

 

[WSurf]

WSurf is always poping off, I wonder what makes him think his sh!t dont stink?

Now that's funny! And orginal too!!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Look, I believe I have been clear on my opinion of Mesa. I worked there for 3yrs10 months and F**king hated it. But, the goal was to always get to the majors and not start over at another regional as you would have them do.

Telling guys to quit may be really cool, stand up for the principle of the situation. But, give me a break, ever hear of reality? Some of those guys might want to quit, but they've got a family that likes to eat and a house that needs to be paid for so guess what, they stay, do a great job for a shi*ty company and hope their NC can get it together on the next one.

I live in PHX, I hate commuting so... I chose Mesa (oops, I was young and ignorant), 3 years 10 months later (niot to mention my 5 month furlough) and I was able to get in at America West, I am lucky and I know it.

But blaming the pilots of Mesa for all industry ills is getting a little old. It was their second contract for cryin' out loud! They never had a chance because of the tools that helped start F8. Well F8 is over and now they have a chance to negotiate something good lets hope they succeed.

Getting all angry because a mesa pilot or two is interested in where their company is headed is pretty lame. Does this mean I don't feel bad for XJT pilot's situation? Yeah I feel bad, life sucks on their side of the fence right now. But, this too shall pass. They will be recalled when the cycle shifts and guess what, it probably will be because some other sap lost his job, its called business.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Sure your missing something!! We make more money flying the prop that holds 37 then you do on that 900!!! Loser!!!

Huh? I don't follow?

 

[Hawker dude]

Blah blah blah, Surf buddy, you got some spit on the screen.....

It ain't about pilots. Its about business. Whiskey's pilot group didn't have any say in flying for Airways, they just went where the base opened. So did Skywest, so did XJT, so did ASA, so did Comair, so did TSA, etc, etc....

Mesa pilots don't have any say in who they get to fly for, they took a job and now they must do it.

JO is a bastard its true. And he got the best of MAG pilots by opening up F8 and whipsawing with an alter ego carrier so now they have to do better in the next contract also true.

And now, oh my God! a mesa pilot or two is speculating about their future because of what is happening at XJT... Must crucify them!!

So, I guess what you're telling me is that we are all one big brotherhood of altruistic pilots and that it is evil to ever muse about ones own future when another company is losing market share? What are you, 12 years old?

Are you in Management?

It is too about the pilots. The only problem is people like you forgot or don't understand that. If we all did stick together we wouldn't be in this big mess, but there will always be ER University and Mesa to keep the bar low.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Grog, I guess what you do not understand is that you have the opportunity to not work for a scumbag at a company that does not respect its pilots and pays them crap. By doing this the whole industry suffers. It not only sounds like you have no problem with it but you are screaming that you are in favor of it and screw everybody else. That is the problem other pilots have with your group. "Its not my fault I work for a bad man." Bull$hit. Quit. Bring the thing to a screaming halt.

What it looks like is you are just week, unable to stand up for yourself as a self respecting human being with some self worth.

Let me see if I understand this...your rationale is just for them to quit? If someone was a 1st or even 2nd year FO then this might not be an issue. But let's say someone has 10+ years in at a company, you think they should just quit to "Bring the thing to a screaming halt"? So, since I took a pay cut and "lowered the bar" should I just quit too?

I posted this question on another thread and I'll post it again here. To all the Mesa haters, do you hang everyone who makes a bad decision in their lives? (The question is directed more toward the contract signing instead of going to work for Mesa.)


SLC

 

[Crossky]

I wonder what the AirWhiskey guys and gals wrote after they paid to take over the flying of Mesa in the USAir east system by paying to get USAir out of BK. If you don't I do....

I remember those contentious board meetings with about 4500 pilots from both airlines yelling and screaming. I remember the Whiskey MEC Chair whipping out his checkbook and saying how much would it take to get rid of Mesa then all H3ll erupted; it was like the floor of the NYSE I tell ya.

Wow, that's the first I've heard of that meeting. Our MEC didn't know anything about AWAC's investment in US Airways until it was announced in public, period. AWAC's contract was to fly 70 CRJ's as US Airways Express, and it didn't stipulate whose and how many RJ's from other regionals were to be taken out of service. That was all decided after the fact, and was a process that MEC was not involved in. I think it dishonorable that you've insinuated so.

Now, no one at AWAC is playing a violin for Mesa or others being displaced from their base, that's just the way the cookie crumbles. It's better than being furloughed. We are tired of being displaced: from ORD, ATL, DEN, ORD, ATW, and IAD, and there's not much sympathy left.

There is some good will around though. Many of us wish Mesa the best and encourage you to fight for a better contract next year. The flip side is if they get any more new flying it will worsen their reputation.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

How about not even interview. Mesa sent me a application and I trashed it. I would have rather instructed. Better QOL. It took me a little longer to get where I am than some but life is not about the destination, its the journey.
And let me understand this... It took someone 10 years to figure out mesa was a crap company? Wow, talk about rose colored glasses.

I will be pleasantly suprised if mesa actually gets some self respect and stands up for a descent contract. I will gladly eat my words. Unfortunately I do not think that will happen.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

There's something else wrong with this "Quit and Mesa will cease to be a boon to other regionals" argument. When the 1000 more senior pilots at Mesa, those who have been around 4-20 years, suddenly go, they'll only be replaced by low-time, lower-wage pilots enabling Mesa the company to, you guessed it, bid even lower for more flying. Other unnamed alter-ego companies had no problem recruiting pilots. Mesa hasn't and probably won't ever either.

If there's going to be improvement, and I think it's happening right now, it's the slightly more seasoned Mesa pilots who are going to make it happen. No one including ourselves can do a thing about the contract signed three years ago, but we've been working hard to get the right union leadership in position for the next few years and the next contract. Just wait and see what happens.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

You see, thats the kind of responses we need to see more of out of mesa folks.

 

[sniper]

There's something else wrong with this "Quit and Mesa will cease to be a boon to other regionals" argument. When the 1000 more senior pilots at Mesa, those who have been around 4-20 years, suddenly go, they'll only be replaced by low-time, lower-wage pilots enabling Mesa the company to, you guessed it, bid even lower for more flying. Other unnamed alter-ego companies had no problem recruiting pilots. Mesa hasn't and probably won't ever either.

If there's going to be improvement, and I think it's happening right now, it's the slightly more seasoned Mesa pilots who are going to make it happen. No one including ourselves can do a thing about the contract signed three years ago, but we've been working hard to get the right union leadership in position for the next few years and the next contract. Just wait and see what happens.

Isn't your current NC the same one that negotiated your last contract?
I was told nothing change with your NC.

 

[sniper]

AirWhiskey told United to go fuk themselves and invested into US Airways. Mesa however will low ball anyone at the expense of there pilot group. Its not about where and who you fly for, but how low your willing to go at the expense of the rest of the industry! Mesa has shown in the past, and will continue to show in the future the ability to bend over and take it in the arse for J.O.!
For you to compare AirWhiskey to Mesa shows just how fukin gay and dumb you are to the industry.
You guys have a chance to fix your contract, lets see what you do now that the ball is in your court!!! I am beating that you will sell the farm, and further lower the bar for the regional pilots!
And you wonder why your pilot group is sooo hated!!

I thought Piedmont is a Mesa feeder.

GSP-CLT Dash8 and on to CLT-MCI on a Mesa CRJ900.

That makes you Mesa Express. Am I missing something?

 

[dojetdriver]

Every airline has it's 10 percent, including Mesa. And just like any 10 percent, they feel the need to prove why they are in that 10 percent on their local web board. When Mesa/JO thought they were going to buy ACA, the same 10 percent gleefully thought they were going to take all our upgrades and spouted off about how they were going to staple us to their the bottom of their list.

Note, not slamming the other 90 percent of Mesa pilots who are doing the same job we all do day in and day out. Just the 10 percent that is there and exists at EVERY airline.

For the 10 percent. No, I wouldn't have had it any other way. Helping to give JO the finger and tell him where to go was a good feeling. Even with the result.