Mesa or SkyWest????

[superrav]

I dont work for either airline..but if i got offered a job at Mesa..i'd take it. Would that make mean i'm lowering the bar..even though i have nothing to do with the current contract. Doesn't make sense to me...I'm just looking to start my career... I think people should start encouraging the young guys on here that are applying and getting hired at mesa; help them understand whats going on..so the next contract can "raise the bar".
If you want more money... there are other ways to make it...and...here we go..let the games begin..b

 

[lawest]

Thanks guys!!!!

Superrav...Crxpilot...and mesarocks, thanks to all of you for some really good info!!!! I really do appreciate it all. I liked what CRXpilot had to say about starting with Mesa. I really like that idea because I dont want to pass up a class date with Mesa and have nothing waiting for me at SKW. I like the point that I think superrav made about young guys getting their foot in the door. That is what I am trying to do, I am just trying to start my career and if I do choose mesa, I will try to raise the "bar". Have some faith in us young guys and realize that we will try to make the industry better.

swoopyswoop...people like you are the ones that keep me from posting on this board more. All I did was ask a question and you come at me saying that even asking the question puts me in the same "group" as mesa pilots. I am just getting a feel for what everyone thinks so relax. Instead of all these people bashing other pilots on this board, why dont you guys try saying it to their face sometime.
Mesarocks...sounds like you have pride in the company you work for, keep it up...I respect people like you.
Okay enough for me, thanks again to everyone and any more info will be greatly appreciated!!!!

 

[fly2002]

the situation at mesa is quite unique. The pilot group is very divided..and mainly due to the past contract. With all the bashing..primarily on these boards, both sides have become somewhat entrenched. So pilots at other regionals...by making bad statements about mesa have only made their situation worse..further driving a spike between the mesa pilots. Unfortunately these pilots do not understand unity. Not that I do...but i'm probably a little closer to understanding it.
just my 2 cents.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Might as well of asked, "Microsoft or Enron?"

Man, that is a CLASSIC!!!

 

[Doggiepaddle]

and I just heard that they shrunk one of their April new hire classes. Does them shrinking the class size mean something bad is about to come????

This is true, SKYW did shrink the April class! Rumor is that they put off the UAL and other furloughs until after the union vote, which will be happening soon. I guess they know that this group would be likely to vote "yes". It seems that the class is all street instructors and freight dogs (more likely to vote "NO"). Growth is happening fast, and they do frown upon leaving another carrier in the first year. They have let people go in the past for jumping ship while the "training contract" is in effect. I will say strongly, "DO NOT LEAVE MESA TO GO TO SKYW." They may let you go if they find out. Aviation is a small world, do not burn bridges behind you.

SKYW is a great place to work! You would be foolish not to take it.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Dude, are you kidding!!???

As a proud Mesa pilot, I can easily with great confidence tell you to go the fnck Skywest. Run, don't walk.

I am not kidding, avoid Mesa, its getting worse around here.

 

[Rogue5]

Although the April class was decreased from the 30 to 20, the above reason is not correct.

To be legal to participate in the upcoming vote, the NMB has required SKYW pilots to have a date of hire sometime around the date the NMB was petitioned. I don't have an exact date, but the makeup of the new classes will not affect the vote as they cannot vote.

The list of eligible voters was published weeks ago and submitted to the pilot group for verification that no one is on the list that should not be (management pilots, pilots no longer with the company, etc.)

 

[GogglesPisano]

p.s. aca, skywest, air wisconsin, psa and more did not raise the bar either. they didn't stand firm. they did what they felt they had to do to protect their flying from those that might do it for less. that is exactly what we did. [/B]

Einstein, you were the ones who were doing it for less.

One the about Mesa pilots: you will not be underbid!

 

[daddysquared]

You know, I have been reading this board for some time now and I can hardly believe all the bashing the Mesa pilots receive. All you bashers are like children. And from what I can see, the Mesa pilots all conduct themselves with honor and respect, well, for the most part at least. I pray that these derogatory views are just from a self-conscious, pimple faced, scrawny 125 lb. soaking wet, unprofessional minority of pilots. I would also pray that the pilots flying our citizens around this amazing country are professional, responsible and mature.

From what I understand, Comair (just one example) signed a contract when demand for their services was at an all time high. True? And when it came time for Mesa to redo their deal, demand was at an all time low (due to 9/11, other economic factors notwithstanding). On top of that, there was a very real threat of all of their flying being taken away if they struck. So all the trumpeters of other pilot groups that didn't have to stand up to that adversity, I simply request that you cease the nonsense and feel for the souls that wanted to keep food on the table. Or perhaps you feel it would have been better if they had allowed all their flying to be taken away and join "your" airline, and consequently giving up any seniority they had accrued.

I was also interested in the question posed on this thread, being a pilot not employed in the aviation industry yet. And Lawest, you probably have a lot of time on your side. Skywest is the much better choice for FO pay and QOL and all that other icing on the cake. Does it matter that your ground school gets pushed back a few months, or heck, even a year? If you are in your twenties or even thirties, you still will have solid 25 to 35 years or so in this tumultous industry to make it to the left seat on some heavy somewhere.

If I were in your position, I would go with Skywest. The only real draw for me to join the Mesa ranks would be that if you got into a prop, (Dash or 1900) you could upgrade to a captain in less than a year (allegedly) and be making more than any FO while gaining valuable left seat experience. You could then (also allegedly) move to the left seat of a CRJ or ERJ in a few years, again still making more than any FO at any regional, spend some time there, and then try to jump to a major with a lot more Jet PIC time than any FO at Comair, Whisky, Skywest, et. al. However, you may have to put up with all the other crews sticking there tongues out at you, talking about you under their collective breaths, and listening to the other children call you "dork" over the radios.

Congrats on two job offers. You are a fortunate soul. I hope to be sharing the skies with you soon.

Carry on.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Daddysquared

is right. Lots of screaming about Mesa done by people who didn't mind replacing Mainline flying one bit. When the same thing is done to them, THEN its a problem. The worst part of this job is the lack of cohesion come contract time and lack of professional development/career awarness. Mesa pilots can be accused of both, (the MEC their blows) but so can the NUMEROUS others who settled for less and blamed it on whoever they could to rationalize their conduct. Until the planes stop flying, not much will change and the JO's of the world will laugh all the way to the bank. A ride supplied by short sighted and the "I am for everyone ELSE holding the line with no skin off my a$$ " crowd, led by the PFT'er scum. Where ever you go, get your time and move on, but stop long enough to help those who will follow...........

 

[350DRIVER]

daddysquared,

It is comical though due to the fact that most if not all the bashing is coming from seat locked guys at a select few regionals that ain't going anywhere anytime soon. (poor guys)- lol Most are just a tad "bitta" that they are "stuck" and are pi$$ed due to the Mesa guys moving on.. As of late quite a few former Mesa guys have been in recent AWA/ATA ground schools.. (that should make a few here smile) I know quite a few at Mesa and they are quite happy so the majority of these posts are nothing more than complete and absolute BS. Or you can go to CHQ and have Ms. "emotional" FA as your fellow crewmember. Mesa guys are viewed no differently than anyone else in the industry, bottom line..

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[searching]

China Clipper,

"I am for everyone ELSE holding the line with no skin off my a$$ " crowd, led by the PFT'er scum."

What a load of BULLSH*T, , MANY Mesa guys BOUGHT THEIR JOBS through your PFT programs like PACE.

Guess your forgott about that one huh
Give me a break.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Pace pilots have to interview just like everyone else. They also have to complete trn in FMN in the program. Yes I agree PFT our scum.

 

[searching]

Well, I don't agree.

I am not a PFTer, but I don't hold anything against anyone who does PFT. I also don't hold anything against any Mesa pilots either, but PACE is without any doubt whatsoever, PFT.

Yea, and the interview bit, Gulfstream guys have to interivew too, just like the PACE guys, and they are definately PFT. Just as Mesa PACE is.

Mesa PACE, Gulfstream, TABexpress, all are ending up with the same result.... a purchased job. Though this does not mean that some of these guy are not great guys, because I am sure many are, and good sticks too. They just bought a job.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

Well, I don't agree.

They just bought a job.

Which is completely wrong - you just DON'T buy a job.

 

[labbats]

People can PFT all they want for all I care. But when it comes time to get their ATP, they shouldn't be allowed to. It clearly states in black and white that you must be of good moral character.
Cutting in line with money is not good moral character.

 

[SWEMB120]

MESA OR SKYWEST?

Go to mesa if you even ask a question like that.

Future SNA
I knew a few of the guys who did the XJT to SkyWest deal. They had a hard time in training and a few didn't even make it and they now like to go around and bash SkyWest. They were minimum time and had a hard time in training because they didn't have the experience to pull their selves through.

About the XJT routes SkyWest operates. XJT turned them down and Continental gave them to SkyWest. So if people at XJT are upset about the lost routes they have no one to blame but them selves.

 

[ATRCA]

UUHHHH not so fast,

XJT mgt. turned down the current SKW flying, not the pilots of XJT. We are not to blame for our mgt. decision not to pull props out of the desert and fly short trips. There are hundreds of guys typed in the 120 who would have been happy to fly the a/c had mgt. decided to recoup the flying.

Try placing the blame where it belongs.

For the record, there were also plenty of XJT recalls that have failed to re-qual and have since been sent home. Its more a function of their lack of maintaining proficiency while furloughed. If guys showed up to XJT training current they probably passed training the first time and would have done so at SKW. I doubt your training is any more OR LESS difficult than that of our peers at any other carrier. Come on down from your ivory tower and play nice.

 

[350DRIVER]

What a load of BULLSH*T, , MANY Mesa guys BOUGHT THEIR JOBS through your PFT programs like PACE.

Not so fast there young one.... Trying to compare the MAPD program or PACE to Gulfjoke and others alike is a complete joke. Those who complete the PACE or MAPD program that do not wash out must still pass the interview just as everyone else coming off of the streets has to do, bottom line. You are given no preference or "special" treatment by going through these standardized programs. It is one thing to be bitter and to have a chip on your shoulder (which is fine) but the least you can do is get your facts straight and not post ignorance. You are not "renting" a seat out for 250 hours getting peanut change ($8.00/hr) to play with the gear/radios as you are getting when you PFT at Gulfjoke, big difference. Comparing Mesa and Gulf is like comparing night and day, easy to see the difference for most. When did Mesa pilots ever have to rent a right seat out for 250 hours? I shall patiently await your response..

Yea, and the interview bit, Gulfstream guys have to interivew too, just like the PACE guys, and they are definately PFT. Just as Mesa PACE is.

A blank check was also a pre-req to "renting" a right seat out in a 1900 before you could ever get to that Pinnacle interview, once again big difference... Are you really that nieve and ignorant to the differences here? Ask any Mesa pilot if they rented a seat out for 250 hours in order to get the "interview", facts do not lie son no matter how badly you may want to stretch the truth.

big big difference here
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[searching]

Well 350,

I don't agree with you, I put Mesa PACE and Gulfstream in the EXACT SAME classification. Everybody I know does also, both Pro PFT people, and anti-PFT people, PACE guys bought their jobs, just like Gulfstream.

We all are entitled to our opinions,