MESA NEEDS PILOTS ASAP! Street-Hire D8 Captains . . .

[IdRtherBsailing]

If I recall when the regionals were a stepping stone for the majors they were called commuters. The typical leg was ORD-FWA, or PHL-BGM. Places where a mainline a/c could'nt go into. I did a trip on the UAL side IAD-MSY-ORD. that should be mainline.

Mainline carriers are farming out flying because its cheaper and why? Among many things we make ourselves cheaper. I would rather see the majors expand, get 90 seaters on property than to have a quicker shot at upgrade.

BTW not all regionals pay bad. 2nd yr FO over 40Gs with good QOL and I commute. The fact is you may be where you are for a while. Getting 1000PIC turbine in a dash sounds great (10 years ago), But there are guys with thousands of hours PIC Turbo Jet/Glass/FMS/yadda yadda yadda still flying around at the regional level.

 

[spitfire1500]

Year_____CA's______Bi-atch (fo)


1 39.16 18.88
2 40.68 21.22
3 42.16 22.87
4 43.89 24.58
5 45.46 25.30
6 47.05 (congrats fo! you maxed out)
7 48.36
8 49.71
9 51.05
10 52.38
11 53.81
12 54.98
13 55.82
14 56.69
15 (congrats CA! You maxed out!)

You forgot at about 10 (Welcome to the page of shame...Top 100 seniority)

 

[WMUSIGPI]

If you are mellow, single, not easily rattled, have a money making spouse, have low blood pressure, and have no plans to retire from a regional. Get on it. Opportunities like this ARE few and far between.

Amway is an opportunity, this is (or should be) criminal. ************************* Mesa!
How is it that 402 captains can make twice that in a year?

 

[Otto Coarsen]

How is it that 402 captains can make twice that in a year?

I'm not justifying the low pay, but........... Where can 402 captains make twice that?

I'm saying this because, I believe Cape Air is the only 402 op with decent pay. When I worked there I didn't make anywhere near 70K a year. It WAS way more fun then Mesa though....

 

[Tomct]

Yeah, hurry and sign up to be the LOWEST paid in the industry and treated like a sack of SH@T!! You can even call JO your NEW DADDY!!
IDIOTS

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Maybe some of U Mesa guys wouldn't mind going to USA Jet?

I've heard they may need a number of pilots this summer. Their base is YIP/DTW.

New guys have 10 days off per 28 (like Mesa), but you can go to the DC-9 after a year or less and get 12 days off. New hires start at $33K base, and it's higher on the -9. Some months the -9 guys are way over guarantee, so you can make decent money.

Capt upgrade in the Falcon is about 2 years. 3rd yr captains start at about $53K.

The #1 pilot last year make about $35K in Sep, 2005.

Cliff
YIP

 

[NoJoy]

Otto how the heck are you. How is the MD-80 flying going? Life after the Dash has got to be great!

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

Filthy waste's of skin.

Good luck when you get BEAT down in HAWAII

 

[Capi_Cafre']

If you want to retire from your regional, then I'm sorry... I don't sympathize with you one iota when you continually get shafted. It you want to make a living either quit aviation, or strive to move on to greener pastures.

Rant over..

So what does AAY stand for? Oh yeah, Aity for Aity, You betcha!

News Flash!-This Just In!------flying big airplanes for insulting wages isn't any different from flying small ones for insulting wages. I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but the only green thing in your pasture is the occasional lump of fresh dung. If you don't think you're getting shafted, you must already be stretched out somethin' fierce.

You're flying mainline equipment for sub-regional rates. Take some time, come up with a good justification for that, and get back to us, OK?

 

[Wiggums]

ORF,PHL,SYR,ALB,PVD,BDL,RIC,BWI

5 CA & 5 FO'S PER BASE, EXCEPT ORF, WHICH GETS 10 EACH.

Are there other Dash bases? I thought I've seen them at both Denver and Phoenix.

 

[suupah]

My point was that this is nothing new. Regionals have always paid crap. Industry hiring cycles vary decade to decade, and believe it or not UAL will hire again too. I won't disagree that regionals should pay "more" thats a fact. They should, but it's silly to think that the regionals are any diferent now that they fly jets.

I wish RJs never came to the regionals. I think they belong at mainline too.

As for the perpetual statement of growing balls, to a pilot group... It's not this simple. I can tell you first hand that pilot groups in general, are lurkers with opinions. Usually there is a vocal minority and a vast majority who are unwilling to step up to the plate to try and change things. Does it have anything to do with balls? not really.... It has everything to do with being content, trying to move on to other things, and/or a realization that for the most part, pilots hold very few cards in negotiating if any...

Mesa controls the future wages of the regionals. If you take a better contract eveyone will follow. Nobody will go lower....at least i hope

 

[Beantown]

Are there other Dash bases? I thought I've seen them at both Denver and Phoenix.

You got it. Denver, Phoenix and Grand Junction CO. -Bean

 

[Av8rPHX]

You got it. Denver, Phoenix and Grand Junction CO. -Bean

To clarify.. DEN,PHX,GJT are Mesa DHC-8 bases. The ones posted previously are Freedom DHC-8 bases.

 

[Wiggums]

Does it matter that some bases are Freedom and some are Mesa? Can you still bid to a western base at some point?

Are the 12 DHC-8s that are going to operate for Delta new, or are the part of the 16 that Mesa already owns?

 

[gto2002]

Where does eneryone try to go if they go to the east coast. Just wondering since in live in ric and might consider it in say 4 years since I could live at home. I realize they may not be there in 4 years any way but just thought I would ask any way.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

So what does AAY stand for? Oh yeah, Aity for Aity, You betcha!

News Flash!-This Just In!------flying big airplanes for insulting wages isn't any different from flying small ones for insulting wages. I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but the only green thing in your pasture is the occasional lump of fresh dung. If you don't think you're getting shafted, you must already be stretched out somethin' fierce.

You're flying mainline equipment for sub-regional rates. Take some time, come up with a good justification for that, and get back to us, OK?

If you think 80K 2nd year to be home with my family every night as opposed to living in hotels isn't a greener pasture, then you can agree to disagree. There are many reasons I'm happy here, and that's one of them. If you feel differently, then fine, you're entitled. You can have the Alaska/Airtran/FEDEX job if you want man, I won't be in your way.

 

[updraft]

Question for you MESA people. What Benefits such as travel companion, dead head pay, per diem etc. do you get?

 

[flyflorida2001]

sorry...got happy with the submit button and hit it too many times...damn espresso

 

[flyflorida2001]

a little advice

Hey, I have an interview with Mesa towards the end of the month. I am a CFI/CFII and have been for 3 years. I just hit 1150 TT and 95Multi. Anyway, I am from ORF so that sounds like a good place for me to end up. I've read all the Mesa bashing and such and just wonder how bad can it really be. Espically if I am gonna end up living in base (maybe move back into the old bedroom back home <yes I'm a loser>). Not trying to flame here...but as bad as pay might be can it really be worse than another year or two sitting right seat in a piper trying to keep the a$$hole next to me from killing me?

looking for constructive answers only please.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Rumor I heard was that Mesa will not give you anything in writing stating that they are hiring you as a DHC Captain. You could show up for training and be assigned CRJ FO, and there really isn't a damm thing you could do about it.

 

[Soverytired]

Life is what you make it . . . Plus . . .how bout interview first, then decide?

Not trying to flame here...but as bad as pay might be can it really be worse than another year or two sitting right seat in a piper trying to keep the a$$hole next to me from killing me?

looking for constructive answers only please.

Mesa Pros:

• You can get hired with very little time into either a jet or a turbo-prop grossing over 36,000 lbs . . . most would argue this will get you on to a better carreir faster than mucking about in a C172.
• Upgrades currently running about 2 years .. . . for now . .
• Work here a year, get some real 121 time, then get out to a real regional (or fractional, for that matter) . . . this is becoming very, very common. Actually, if I were hired today, THIS WOULD BE MY PLAN.
• Ah, what a difference a domicile makes . . . if you get lucky, get the right equipment and domicle, life and flying schedules can be pretty decent. THE RUB: these scenarios are increasingly few and far between.

Mesa Cons: <posting limit size exceeded>:crying:

(I could go on and on and on and on)

• You just might be flying with a low time yahoo here as well. Your support structure (crew trackers, dispatchers, rampers, etc.) are totally green as well, so you can't count on them for backup. You're gonna REALLY have to be on your toes, because the FAA is watching pretty darn closely. Remember, the company gets off scott free when a mistake is made (like duty time exceedence, flying w/o proper mx done or paperwork issues) as long as they "self-disclose" and turn you in . . .
• Upgrades could slow to a veritable crawl as our growth slows down, and if other airlines stop hiring our poor bastards
• This company sees you, the pilot, as a major liability. They hate you, and resent that they have to have you as an employee. Didn't used to think that was true, but boy, I sure do now. As someone who is directly responsible for the very safe, very public, and very often operation of the prodcut (air travel), this attitude can get old after awhile.
• The abuse is unreal. And there's no light at the end of the tunnel, in house, anyway.(I've been here 8 years, and it gets worse every year, not better).

I say: interview, get hired, then come in with the intention of staying for a year or two. After the first year, send out a resume, regardless. Because if you're here 3 years and haven't upgraded, you'll definitely want out . . .

 

[Soverytired]

Rumor I heard was that Mesa will not give you anything in writing stating that they are hiring you as a DHC Captain. You could show up for training and be assigned CRJ FO, and there really isn't a damm thing you could do about it.

100% true.

In any case, new hires are ALWAYS hired to a f/o slot. The offer of the CA slot via "stree-hire" captain usually comes after they see how your oral/sim ride is coming along.

I believe the latest Dash-8 class had 3 or 4 guys bumped up to Captain.

 

[trolleydriver]

Hey, I have an interview with Mesa towards the end of the month. I am a CFI/CFII and have been for 3 years. I just hit 1150 TT and 95Multi. Anyway, I am from ORF so that sounds like a good place for me to end up. I've read all the Mesa bashing and such and just wonder how bad can it really be. Espically if I am gonna end up living in base (maybe move back into the old bedroom back home <yes I'm a loser>). Not trying to flame here...but as bad as pay might be can it really be worse than another year or two sitting right seat in a piper trying to keep the a$$hole next to me from killing me?

looking for constructive answers only please.

The pay is $18.88/hr, you probably make about the same as a CFI right? except there isn't the 1000hr limitation /year or 30hr/7 limitation as a CFI just the 8 hrs in 24 hours. If you can live in domicile the QoL is not as bad. - the schedules are not likely to be commutable. But from looking at all the standing bids it appears all the FO slots in ORF have been awarded.

You just might be flying with a low time yahoo here as well. Only now, you're gonna REALLY have to be on your toes, because the FAA is watching pretty darn closely.

Your CFI/CFII skills will be very handy here. Especially for the 300hr wonders who have only flown in the Four Corners who are only allowed to do actual IMC with an instructor onboard - they aren't allowed to fly in IMC solo. The weather in the northeast will be a foreign concept to them.

I think the inability to grow rapidly - e.g. Mesa's inability to get captains when they need to for route expansion - will probably hurt JO's chances of picking up more flying.

 

[saviboy]

How can anyone justify working for mesa? It is the pilot's at mesa that I hold responsible for the low pay in the regionals.

really? I thought it was the law of economics.

 

[Tank]

Hey Otto Coarsen hows it going!!! Havent heard from ya in a while.

 

[QXpeon]

For $38 hr.....

I'm an FO in the Dash and if I take that job at Mesa it's a paycut!!

Morons.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

It wouldn't surprise me if that Sh!tbag Ornstein starts recruiting pilots in Tijuana
under "guest" worker status.

 

[surfnfly]

Last week a flew with an FO who said his buddy just started ground school on the Dash-8. He said he was hired with the bare minimums of 1500hrs, and asked if he could be an FO first and was told no you will be a captain. talk about scary, here is a guy fresh out of instructing and put as a Dash-8 PIC in New York flying around the northeast with a 500hr FO. If those poor delta pax only knew what they getting themselves into.

 

[Sig]

talk about scary, here is a guy fresh out of instructing and put as a Dash-8 PIC in New York flying around the northeast with a 500hr FO.

Well, the Dash is a tank. Nobody's died in one- YET.

Wow... ---beta lockout failure at 150'--- Gee! What's THAT? I dunno, it ain't dead... whatcha think? I can't tell which *crunch*

Hey! Both ECUs MEL'd! Neat, at least the levers will match!

What's a "Right AC Bus Failure" mean in this red book thingy? HEY LOOK! Lemme get out my cell phone and snap a pic of me in my first flight into icing conditions!! Yeah, I'll take one of you too, sheesh- hurry up!

So let's see... I've lost #2 quantity, so I'll pull up the gear with the PTU... and nothing happens. Dang, it's broke too.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What about getting your PIC turbine requirements and going to FedEx or SWA?

Perhaps everyone doesn't have the life skills to do that.....

I mean it is more that just flight time..... or is it?