Mesa Hawaii

[altimaklr]

How long for FO/CA to hold HNL/Hawaii (Go!) ? I know new hires are getting sent to ORD/IAD, how long til you could transfer to Hawaii?

 

[Hikoushi]

How long for FO/CA to hold HNL/Hawaii (Go!) ? I know new hires are getting sent to ORD/IAD, how long til you could transfer to Hawaii?

Just don't. And don't work for Mesa; not in Hawaii, not anywhere. Worst career/life/health move you'll ever make. Hell, go ANYWHERE else.

 

[plucky]

Just don't. And don't work for Mesa; not in Hawaii, not anywhere. Worst career/life/health move you'll ever make. Hell, go ANYWHERE else.

Agree. Well said.

 

[RJP]

Nah, it's a great career move. Think of all the yuan you'll be earning in the next few years after being juniored to China.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Hell, go ANYWHERE else.

Here's a good thread hijack. Which is worse, TSA or Mesa?

Formatted for flightinfo, that might read "Who's the bigger jerk/tool/fool, the guy who goes to TSA, or the guy who goes to Mesa?" Ding ding!

 

[On Your Six]

C'mon guys. Can someone just answer the question?

The guy wants to know - just provide an estimate and THEN inject your sarcasm.....

 

[samballs]

Here's a good thread hijack. Which is worse, TSA or Mesa?

Formatted for flightinfo, that might read "Who's the bigger jerk/tool/fool, the guy who goes to TSA, or the guy who goes to Mesa?" Ding ding!

I would have to say both, but Mesa gets more notice. TSA is not as big so they stay under radar. When MESA Fails and goes to CHINA (can't wait, It will be fun to hear all the pilots say "well I took the job because it was the only place that would hire me I was gonna move on" If mesa is your only choice of employment because they are the only one who will hire you, QUIT, QUIT now it's obvious that there is something on your recored that is keeping you from a normal place, don't think it will go away when its time to move on. Mesa pilots are like the Skybus pilots, they really wanna move on in their career but can't so they take the prison jobs and hope it gets better.

 

[NCaviator]

To answer your question there is 1 guy that in HNL and he was hired in jan 2007. That being said, go anywhere else but here. I went to Mesa for domicle reasons. I saw all the same post about how horrible this place is and thought I was just getting one side of the story...THAT IS THE ONLY STORY. Attrition is soo bad here they are going to lose codeshare in the near future because there are not enough crews. CRJs are being moved to China...GO! will be gone within the next year...the way things are going this place will be gone in 1-2 years.

If you think this is all made up then talk to a Mesa pilot and ask them. Also checkout mesahub.com

 

[OB-CPO]

How long for FO/CA to hold HNL/Hawaii (Go!) ? I know new hires are getting sent to ORD/IAD, how long til you could transfer to Hawaii?

I just heard Mesa is canceling recurrent ground schools to staff jets in ORD as it SUCKS so bad pilots are quitting every day.

Many times they will just set the parking brake, say "fuk this" and walk away.

The 10 jets Mesa ordered this week don't mean squat, Mesa will park many more than 10 airplanes this year.

The Mesa guys in Hawaii think they are hiding out from the growing ash pile on the mainland but the fire is raging out of control.

Rumor is JO is ready to resign & Mesa will become a leasing company to China.

Just say NO TO GO!

 

[Poahi]

Right now, there is an unfilled FO position in HNL. I don't expect it to be filled, but I do believe they will always cancel mainland flights before a go! flight. We are running up against staffing limits now. JA's for me once every two weeks, CA's flying as FO's and chronic 30/7 conflicts.

 

[CoAlpha]

mesa is done, no upgrades fast, and united codeshare is completely gone... do not work there!!

 

[Dan Roman]

Something to consider. Go is not doing well, no matter what they charge for tickets, their load factors stay well below HAL or AQ's. A lot of people in Hawaii avoid them. Hawaii is a small place, a lot of people have friends or relatives with HAL/AQ and are aware what the score is with Go. Yes some people think they are "lowering the cost of inter-island travel for the local folks" but most are aware of the reality of the situation. I have friends in the news media that even say so. Look for unfavorable news coverage of what they are doing to the quality of inter-island travel in the future.
Also, come sept., Go will be in court with HAL. The Judge has already made it obvious that it won't be a pleasant experience for Mesa. They next face off with AQ. Same deal. If the rumors are true, JO's stepping down will be the excuse Mesa needs to shut down Go. It has lost a lot of money for Mesa, and is no were near profitable. It has also been a huge drain on managements time and resources at a time when all hell is breaking lose on the mainland.

 

[slackass]

Will Go! be gone in time to save Aloha? I see they are both losing 20-24 million a quarter.

 

[TapitLight]

I don't know who's financial reports you have been reading but you are most incorrect to say that GO and Aloha have been losing 20-24 million a quarter. I bet it would be hard work for GO to lose that much money flying 4-5 CRJ's around. Though their losses have never been fully disclosed, I am sure they are less than 2 million. Now for Aloha, thats another story, there losses last quarter were amazing to say the least. The two Hawaiian competitors are really behind the eight ball. Not to say that GO is right, but the free market competition may just say Aloha to Aloha.

 

[OB-CPO]

I would be willing to wager Aloha knows a tiny bit more about Mesa than the self appointed experts on flightinfo.

Rumor I have heard is that Hawaiian and Aloha's discovery is going along much better than anybody ever anticipated. Mesa management and executives are not willing to serve jail time to save JO's hide. Just wait until the hearings begin in September!

I don't know who's financial reports you have been reading but you are most incorrect to say that GO and Aloha have been losing 20-24 million a quarter. I bet it would be hard work for GO to lose that much money flying 4-5 CRJ's around. Though their losses have never been fully disclosed, I am sure they are less than 2 million. Now for Aloha, thats another story, there losses last quarter were amazing to say the least. The two Hawaiian competitors are really behind the eight ball. Not to say that GO is right, but the free market competition may just say Aloha to Aloha.

 

[Dan Roman]

Didn't go admit to losing 10 mil a month when they started? Nothing has changed there, except they have even lower load factors than when they started (I believe their best month was their first). Also, they have sold even cheaper tickets recently to try and get people on their aircraft.
I think one of the problems is when they sell a cheap ticket at a loss to try and get someone to try them, it backfires. I know of people that have tried them and think they are nowhere near as good as HAL or AQ. Walking outside on the ramp to sit in an RJ turns a lot of people off. So they only fly go once.

Don't kid yourself, it's very expensive flying 5 RJ's around half full with 19 dollar fares. They don't generate anywhere near the revenue needed to support the operation. Go has sucked millions and millions of dollars out of Mesa's coffers and has no chance of being a viable airline. What's happening is essentially what many anaylists said would when they started. It's amazing what a boondogle that airline has been.

 

[slackass]

I don't know who's financial reports you have been reading but you are most incorrect to say that GO and Aloha have been losing 20-24 million a quarter.

Mesa

bizjournals.com
Mesa Air Group post $24M Q2 loss
Friday May 11, 5:18 pm ET
Mesa Air Group Inc. was hit with a $24 million loss for the second quarter of its 2007 fiscal year even though the airline reported an increase in revenue.

Go! is part of Mesa Air Group
Aloha
bizjournals.com
Aloha Airlines' 1Q losses $24M
Monday June 25, 4:07 pm ET For the first quarter of 2007, Aloha Airlines reported a net loss of $24.2 million.
(24,865)19,189 16,592 27,463

 

[TapitLight]

Will Go! be gone in time to save Aloha? I see they are both losing 20-24 million a quarter.

You were making a distinction between GO! and Mesa Air Group as a whole, their results are not reported on a broken down basis. I was stating that there is no possible way the GO! was contributing 20-24 million dollars of losses to Mesa Air Group. Losses indeed, just not to that magnitude, GO! is just too small (something like 4% of MAG's total ASM's) to generate 20-24 million dollars in losses. But since the broken down results are not made public this can not be verified in any way. Just my assumption. And again, I am not advocating GO!.

 

[slackass]

You are correct. I believe Mesa has always claimed that GO! was only 3% of it's entire operation. However Mesa as a whole lost 24 mil last quarter and is expecting greater losses this quarter.

 

[samballs]

You are correct. I believe Mesa has always claimed that GO! was only 3% of it's entire operation. However Mesa as a whole lost 24 mil last quarter and is expecting greater losses this quarter.

Imagine if Mesa went into BK, the pilots would be paying for the honor to fly