Mesa/Freedom will fight Delta

[erikgigem]

Does that include Freedom or are those Mesa's (YV), I couldn't find F8 on the DOT site

Just Mesa (YV)... Doing more research to find specifically Freedom's numbers..

 

[Wesb737fo]

Did Mesa lose their performance numbers while their CFO was eliminating more porn on their computers? According to DOT, Mesa reported the following for all their operations:

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

No more data beyond January 2008 exists on the DOT website.

Those are pathetic numbers, Mesa should fire their VP of Flight Ops.

 

[711-24-7]

It seems like JO only makes money in lawsuites, and looses money in lawsuites. He should have become a lawyer, not an Airline President. Oh, and he does not care for people, perfect lawyer attitude!!!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

It seems like JO only makes money in lawsuites, and looses money in lawsuites. He should have become a lawyer, not an Airline President. Oh, and he does not care for people, perfect lawyer attitude!!!

I'm guessing here that you are not an English major.

 

[sweptback]

I am mostly talking out of my ass here, but I would imagine Delta cares mostly about controllable completion factor over on time percentage.

ASA has always had a mediocre on time percentage, but our completion factor has always been 99%+.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Bye Bye Mesa/Freedumb..... say "Hi" to JO...... Bouyyyyyyyy........

 

[spitfire1500]

It would be interesting to see what Mesa's paying out in legal fees right now. Nothing against the Pilots at mesa. How much of J.O.'s crap before the BOD pulls the plug on him?

Mesa has their own attorneys on staff and JO is the BOD...Mesa will have to go away for him to go away.

 

[Simon Says]

Nobody has picked up the real joke yet!!!!!! JO is getting a taste of what it feels like to be on the recieving end of disregarding contracts.

Plus, who really cares about this one.....it is Freedom. I still carry my list of original freedom scum.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I am mostly talking out of my ass here, but I would imagine Delta cares mostly about controllable completion factor over on time percentage.

ASA has always had a mediocre on time percentage, but our completion factor has always been 99%+.

This is very true and why we sometimes fly almost empty flights hours late.....We get paid to complete the flights and that is the single most important measure....From an ASA standpoint, we are better off flying an empty flight both ways than cancelling it....

 

[sweptback]

This is very true and why we sometimes fly almost empty flights hours late.....We get paid to complete the flights and that is the single most important measure....From an ASA standpoint, we are better off flying an empty flight both ways than cancelling it....

Not necessarily, from the ASA DCI agreement, 11.E.1.v.:

(v) ASA fails to maintain a completion rate of [***] with respect to the Delta Connection Flights during any [***] months during any consecutive [***] month period, unless Delta fails to maintain a completion rate of [***] with respect to its domestic mainline operations during the same [***] months as ASA’s failures during the same [***] period. For purposes of this Agreement, (a) Delta Connection Flights operated with no revenue passengers or completed over [***] hours late shall be considered as not completed and (b) Disproportionate ATL Cancellations shall be excluded from ASA’s completion rate calculation;

 

[JoeMerchant]

Not necessarily, from the ASA DCI agreement, 11.E.1.v.:

(v)ASA fails to maintain a completion rate of [***] with respect to the Delta Connection Flights during any [***] months during any consecutive [***] month period, unless Delta fails to maintain a completion rate of [***] with respect to its domestic mainline operations during the same [***] months as ASA’s failures during the same [***] period. For purposes of this Agreement, (a) Delta Connection Flights operated with no revenue passengers or completed over [***] hours late shall be considered as not completed and (b) Disproportionate ATL Cancellations shall be excluded from ASA’s completion rate calculation;

OK...if we have 1 rev. passenger we are better off flying the leg.....Correct?

 

[erikgigem]

I am mostly talking out of my ass here, but I would imagine Delta cares mostly about controllable completion factor over on time percentage.

ASA has always had a mediocre on time percentage, but our completion factor has always been 99%+.

Oh really?? Lets see what ASA is reporting to DOT?

ASA DOT NUMBERS

SEP 07 63.38% ontime 2.42% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 63.64% ontime 2.08% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.66% ontime 0.95% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 64.05% ontime 2.67% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 70.85% ontime 4.88% Cancelled Flights

MESA DOT NUMBERS

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

 

[sweptback]

Oh really?? Lets see what ASA is reporting to DOT?

ASA DOT NUMBERS

SEP 07 63.38% ontime 2.42% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 63.64% ontime 2.08% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.66% ontime 0.95% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 64.05% ontime 2.67% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 70.85% ontime 4.88% Cancelled Flights

MESA DOT NUMBERS

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

Controllable completion factor is not reported to the government. It's an internal Delta metric. The above numbers reflect flights canceled by Delta to give their own aircraft priority.

 

[erikgigem]

Controllable completion factor is not reported to the government. It's an internal Delta metric. The above numbers reflect flights canceled by Delta to give their own aircraft priority.

Lets see if Mesa lawyers can argue that same point before a judge.

 

[USCtrojan]

Oh really?? Lets see what ASA is reporting to DOT?

ASA DOT NUMBERS

SEP 07 63.38% ontime 2.42% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 63.64% ontime 2.08% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.66% ontime 0.95% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 64.05% ontime 2.67% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 70.85% ontime 4.88% Cancelled Flights

MESA DOT NUMBERS

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

ASA operates primarily out of ATL. Those numbers are very different at any other hub OTHER than ATL. Delta's overall performance was about what ASA's was last quarter. ATL is a difficult market to operate in and out of. Delta and anybody who has flown in and out of the ATL understands this.

Trojan

 

[FSIGRAD]

I have seen quite a few airlines look at contracts and say "well we interpret it this way, so that's what were going to do" regardless of how any sane person would read the same section.

 

[Soverytired]

A lawsuit? Definitely a desperation move on Mesa's part.

Suing one's business partners is not a way to drum up additional business. They must REALLY need the cash provided by the Delta flying to try this.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Mesa has their own attorneys on staff and JO is the BOD...Mesa will have to go away for him to go away.

I am OK with messa going away to rid the industry of JO.
PBR

 

[Wesb737fo]

I am OK with messa going away to rid the industry of JO.
PBR

I'm not for pilots losing their job's, but man....Who's in charge of flight ops? THEY SHOULD FIRE THAT GUY. He must be doing a horrible job.

 

[cq43vt17t]

Oh really?? Lets see what ASA is reporting to DOT?

ASA DOT NUMBERS

SEP 07 63.38% ontime 2.42% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 63.64% ontime 2.08% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.66% ontime 0.95% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 64.05% ontime 2.67% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 70.85% ontime 4.88% Cancelled Flights

MESA DOT NUMBERS

SEPT 07 82.8% ontime 1.72% Cancelled Flights
OCT 07 78.3% ontime 2.34% Cancelled Flights
NOV 07 76.8% ontime 2.85% Cancelled Flights
DEC 07 61.8% ontime 7.06% Cancelled Flights
JAN 08 68.8% ontime 6.50% Cancelled Flights

It would be intresting to see these numbers if it only included F8 flying and not YV. ORD has the highest cancellation rate for Mesa.