Mesa Court Date

[ASABound]

Today will we find out what will happen with Mesa.........best of luck to all involved

 

[WMUSIGPI]

So will Mesa still suck after today???

 

[Max Q]

Mesa Sucked

 

[ASABound]

If there is anything left...rumor on the street is that Mesa will be ripped apart and doors closed with the assests to be sold to some other well established and well managed airline. We shall see ...

 

[79%N1]

Don't count on it! Maybe Freedumb goes away from Delta, but JO will lie, cheat and steal their way out of it.

 

[ASABound]

Idk. The Mesa pilots are even saying the same thing coming from their own mgmt. No matter what happens, one thing is for sure. JO's mgmt strategy and business plan are not compatible with this market and economy, especially the way this industry is evolving considering Mesa has no cash for all practical purposes. 1 of 2 things will happen, Mesa will either come out of this leaner with a new mgmt strategy in place that will run a profitable, on time, and reliable airline or the assets will be sold off. Airlines either grow or shrink to nothing and then die. There is no in between, especially when you have no cash. Besides what Mainline partner would ever get in bed with JO again ? Jo's inability to run an airline is as evident to us all now as is Tiger Woods secret life. I hate it for the families and employees involved, however the reality is that Mesa is no longer a real player...

 

[Abernathy]

I heard J.O. and Glenn Tilton had an "awkward" but "nevertheless pleasurable" experience last night.

 

[ASABound]

Tilton is no longer mgmt, so JO can get in bed with him all he wants

 

[TapitLight]

Not the official deal yet, interesting though

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30929192/SO-Ordered

 

[ex j-41]

Furthermore, Delta’s improper and bad-faith termination of the
Agreement made a bankruptcy filing by Mesa both likely and imminent.
(Paragraph 68, supra; Pls.’ Ex. 26; Hr’g Tr. 116:05-119:10). Because Mesa’s legal
and bankruptcy expenses were “proximately related to the malicious acts” of Delta,
Mesa is due to be compensated for those expenses (United Pickle, 405 N.Y.S.2d at
728, 63 A.D.2d at 893), specifically, the fees and expenses for Seabury Group and
Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft.

Ouch, that outta hurt.

 

[Dubya]

Mesa sucks.
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You can't kill them, you only make them stronger. Only an act of God, or Chuck Norris can stop the sucking.

 

[CX880]

HAHAHAHA! Mesa will never die. Despite the bad blood, this industry still needs cheap labor. Look for more CRJ700s and 900s headed Mesa's way.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

HAHAHAHA! Mesa will never die. Despite the bad blood, this industry still needs cheap labor. Look for more CRJ700s and 900s headed Mesa's way.

How many CRJ700s are you guys getting over there again? Another few this year?

 

[jstyle13]

Is there a supposed verdict for the Delta/Mesa lawsuit today or something involved witht the overall Mesa bankruptcy?

 

[fastback]

Ouch, that outta hurt.

Sounds like a law firm that wants to be paid in something more real than JO Bucks.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

This team of attorneys spent 3,539.15 hours on the matter, generating fees in the amount of $1,374,215.00. (Trial Tr. 93:1-95:10; Def.’s Ex. 151; Pls.’ Ex. 80.) Based on the difficult and protracted nature of this litigation, (Trial Tr. 86:6-12) the work descriptions provided in Jones Day’s billing statements, and the testimony of Mr. Garrett, the Court finds that the tasks performed and hours billed by these attorneys were necessary and reasonable given the nature of the engagement.


~388.00$ an hour, shoulda been a lawyer.

 

[hou757]

The above links is only a "proposal" from Mesa not a verdict..

 

[squall line]

how many crj700s are you guys getting over there again? Another few this year?

zero!

 

[PA31Driver]

On a different note, Mesa management asked the Union to start concessionary talks....:uzi:

On Thursday, MAG senior management asked the MEC to consider opening concessionary contract talks. US Airways is looking to reduce costs immediately, and in return, MAG would be given an extension to the codeshare agreement that would otherwise end in 2012. MAG management is seeking concessions from aircraft lessors, vendors, labor, and other interested stakeholders in an effort to secure the contract extension.
The MEC was not surprised by management’s request. US Airways has put an RFP out for bid, and apparently, other management teams have approached their pilot groups for concessions in an attempt to gain this business. To our knowledge, all the other groups have rejected such concessions.
After discussing the issue last night, the MEC today informed the company that we were not interested in engaging in concessionary discussions.
Labor is not the problem at MAG; we have a competitive contract. This fact has been reiterated by MAG management. In filing bankruptcy, the company was clear that it needed to eliminate excess aircraft—not reduce labor costs. The bankruptcy proceedings are progressing as expected, and we firmly believe that MAG will come out of bankruptcy well positioned to maintain current business and pursue new opportunities.
The MEC is monitoring the situation closely and will continue to update you. We are also in regular contact with the pilot leaders in the US Airways, United and Delta systems to ensure that we are not whipsawed against each other and/or pressured into taking unnecessary concessions.
Our pilots are our top priority. The MEC is committed to protecting the jobs and career expectations of our pilots, and enforcing our contract aggressively. We paid dearly for our industry-leading scope provisions and have come a long way to secure our place within the industry. The concessions that MAG management is seeking are unnecessary, and—like our fellow plot groups—we refuse to engage in a race to the bottom.

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[DoinTime]

...and have come a long way to secure our place within the industry.

What place would that be?

 

[777forever]

Since when did US Airways have an RFP out?

 

[belchfire]

On a different note, Mesa management asked the Union to start concessionary talks....:uzi:

Do not give in...you show me an airline where management didn't make out and the crews got their pay back and you can do whatever you want...history tends to indicate that you will give up pay and benefits (I know, there's not much to give up-all the more reason not to concede!)
and the airline will continue to line the pockets of the guilty until it ultimately fails or recovers-and if it recovers there will be great resistance to gaining back what was lost.

I say again, don't give JO a dime!

Let him sell motorcycles...

:laugh:

 

[CX880]

On a different note, Mesa management asked the Union to start concessionary talks....:uzi:

On Thursday, MAG senior management asked the MEC to consider opening concessionary contract talks. US Airways is looking to reduce costs immediately, and in return, MAG would be given an extension to the codeshare agreement that would otherwise end in 2012.

Holy crap! Deltas contract will end in 2012 too. Mesa is screwed if they don't give in. Looks like management have checkmated the pilots. Good luck not getting any concessions.

 

[hou757]

I thought it didn't get any cheaper than Mesa and Colgan.

 

[DeltaLima21]

I cant read this crap anymore. ya'll are idiots for wanting to stay in this career field.

 

[mesaserf]

JO is probably looking for a contract extension, and he will more than likely get it. Paul F. has been telling ground school classes that unless we get a new contract from US Airways we will all be f*cked. He’s got the senior pilots crapping little green apples because they have no place else to go.

Nothing like keeping the plantation workers off balance right before you cut their rations.

 

[CX880]

JO is probably looking for a contract extension, and he will more than likely get it. Paul F. has been telling ground school classes that unless we get a new contract from US Airways we will all be f*cked. He’s got the senior pilots crapping little green apples because they have no place else to go.

Nothing like keeping the plantation workers off balance right before you cut their rations.

To be fair to JO, Mesa could actually be a 20 CRJ7 airline by 2012 since both contracts will be up. You can't fault him for trying. The question is what kind of concessions they're going to get out of their pilots since it's do or die. This will be very interesting. And I'm willing to bet this was JOs idea not Airways's.

 

[paddlehigh]

He won't get it from Airways. DP has already stated that won't happen.

 

[PA31Driver]

Do not give in...you show me an airline where management didn't make out and the crews got their pay back and you can do whatever you want...history tends to indicate that you will give up pay and benefits (I know, there's not much to give up-all the more reason not to concede!)
and the airline will continue to line the pockets of the guilty until it ultimately fails or recovers-and if it recovers there will be great resistance to gaining back what was lost.

I say again, don't give JO a dime!

Let him sell motorcycles...

:laugh:

I agree with you completely. If it comes down to a vote, I'm voting NO. It's the top 10-15% of the list that I worry about. Most of those guys will do anything, I mean anything for JO and the company.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

2 years is a long time. Lots can happen. My hope is someone will buy us and put Mesa out of its misery.