Mesa Accident in ROA

[Anais Nin]

If the f/O passed, God rest her soul, As for Mrs.Y..(so tempted to put her name down).. She gives women pilots a bad name, like so many ambulance chasing attorneys give lawyers a bad name. May she spend eternity in pergatory with the words " GO AROUND ISN"T an OPTION" constantly going through her head.

Incompetence is no excuse....Please Please Please let this thread DIE

Ya know blzr, you sound like such a young and naive guy!!! It almost sounds like you're out for blood or something!!!!

 

[blzr]

not real young, and a whole lot less nieve.

 

[MrsSgtMajUSMC]

IP. oh heavens no I do not blame the crew...............


I blame the ground weenies. They knew better and were being complacent..... they didn't think what COULD OF HAPPENED.

This FO and Capt were and still in my book awesome folks. I accredit them to quick thinking and saving a ac full of folks . They were calm , cool. and really knew how to handle the entire situation...... which included.......... calming a full ac.

I had one Capt that grounded 3 ac in day............ he must of had a microscope because this guy could find a needle in the haystack.. and guess what???? GOOD FOR HIM..... he always thought safety first.

I can't think of any Shuttle Pilot that didn't..... IMHO

 

[nitrogen]

Go-around not an option????

The Captain stated that a go around was not an option due to the hills nor was a rejected landing an option. So, if another aircraft rolls onto the runway when you're on short final I guess you just crash into it huh???

I don't know of any approach that is legal to shoot with a go around not an option......................except 1...........the Space Shuttle.

Seriously, how do you justify qualifying a Captain who isn't even aware of her emergency escape options??

This one is a shame. Shes lucky the next crew to fly it didn't crash due to the damage.

 

[nitrogen]

What????? Gee, what a surprise a female pipes in and defends this incompetence.

They stalled and crashed the airplane at the advertised stall speed for the weight they were at. With Vref at 124 and their speed at 102 (stall speed), flying 22 knots below Vref isnt 'quick thinking', its not thinking. The best part of this is that the FO called her 5 knots slow then 10 knots slow and since the Captain wasn't responding just gave up and remained silent as the aircraft slowed to stall. LOL. I guess at 22 knots slow the call should have been "TAILSTRIKE". Unreal.

IP. oh heavens no I do not blame the crew...............


I blame the ground weenies. They knew better and were being complacent..... they didn't think what COULD OF HAPPENED.

This FO and Capt were and still in my book awesome folks. I accredit them to quick thinking and saving a ac full of folks . They were calm , cool. and really knew how to handle the entire situation...... which included.......... calming a full ac.

I had one Capt that grounded 3 ac in day............ he must of had a microscope because this guy could find a needle in the haystack.. and guess what???? GOOD FOR HIM..... he always thought safety first.

I can't think of any Shuttle Pilot that didn't..... IMHO [/QUOTE

 

[Chosen One]

What????? Gee, what a surprise a female pipes in and defends this incompetence.

Dude, relax. She wasn't talking about the Mesa accident, you bonehead. Read a few posts back, the one that starts off "I recall a Shuttle landing much like that."

 

[MrsSgtMajUSMC]

Dude, relax. She wasn't talking about the Mesa accident, you bonehead. Read a few posts back, the one that starts off "I recall a Shuttle landing much like that."


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Thank you............ geez its bonehead comments like:

Originally posted by nitrogen
What????? Gee, what a surprise a female pipes in and defends this incompetence.

That I often say. NO UTERUS NO OPINION............do your homework....... read.........Thanks Chosen One.........

 

[Dash8]

As clarification, the FO who passed away from breast cancer was the one who did the walkaround (before sunrise, on a not so well lit ramp, I've been told) on the following morning. She was not the one involved in the accident. That FO has recently upgraded to ERJ Capt.

was that fo a dark haired girl, from riddle-prc? knew a girl Back when i was at prc that i heard passed on from cancer in the past year, wonder if it was the same one, was sorry to hear that, seemed like a nice, albeit quite gal,
may she rest in peace

 

[Saabslime]

the FO who passed away from breast cancer was the one who did the walkaround (before sunrise, on a not so well lit ramp, I've been told) on the following morning.

God rest her soul but ever heard of a flashlight???

 

[91100 100 set]

Dash8

Dash, I think I know who you might be thinking of, the PRC gal. I think you might have the Mesa FO confused with another gal who was employed at Mesaba who passed away from cancer. The time frame that she and you were out there is about right...

 

[Dash8]

oooh yeah thats right, i remember she was at mesaba...my bad...lisa, right? that was her name?

 

[nitrogen]

OOOPs

Mrs Mrs,

Now that hurts.

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**, you get one free kick to the scrotum for that one.

But, I get to close my eyes first. At least it'll knock my foot out of my mouth.

Dude, relax. She wasn't talking about the Mesa accident, you bonehead. Read a few posts back, the one that starts off "I recall a Shuttle landing much like that."


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Thank you............ geez its bonehead comments like:

Originally posted by nitrogen
What????? Gee, what a surprise a female pipes in and defends this incompetence.

That I often say. NO UTERUS NO OPINION............do your homework....... read.........Thanks Chosen One.........

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Hey Clipper...do you know her instructor? He actually did not do anything with her untill after the training was complete....As for the domestic abuse charge that was totally B.S. as well. His wife was pissed off about the affair, lied to the police about the abuse just to get even. And as for the FO, She is now a captain for Mesa! It was the F.O. who flew the plane out the next morning who died of cancer! Before you go spouting your mouth off please get the facts straight! As For The infamouos captain though, she is gone from Mesa forever.

how she got through training! It was the old "Instructor with a hard on" deal. She was doing poorly and resorted to boinking the instructor (later fired for domestic abuse) to get extra sims late at night etc. Later called the guys wife to fill her in on the details. Hormone boy also was her acting FO on her type ride and probably covered up an error or two. The DE was impressed by her ample bosom, I am sure. This whole incident was a collection of smaller mistakes not caught in time. The Captain was widely disliked for her abrasiveness, she also bragged that she upgrade from the 1900 as an FO, like we were supposed to be impressed as opposed to shocked. Everyone knew she was an accident waiting to happen...and it did. The best part of the story is that she tried to sue Mesa for improper training and a few other things. FO was a good gal, but a bit passive when matched up with the peroxide know-it-all. She did pass away from cancer while the investigation was ongoing, Mesa wouldn't pay her death benefit...no suprise there, JO needed another motorcycle.....

 

[Lequip]

Where did the Captain go? Was she fired? Anybody who briefs that a go around is not an option clearly has no business in the left seat of a 121 cockpit. This chick has a ton to learn.

 

[Stinkbug]

"Go around isn't an option"

Has it occurred to anyone else that perhaps the captain made this comment tounge-in-cheek? You know...last leg of a long day, everyone's tired and ready to get to the hotel, so the captain jokes, "you know...go around isn't an option!"

I barely knew the girl, and I certainly am not defending her actions before or after the incident, but so much has been made of her statement about going around. I've just always thought it was entirely possible that it was intended as a joke. I mean, does anyone think it's really likely that an airline pilot would say something like this and mean it...it doesn't pass the common sense test.