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[Lumpsum]

Voting has started at OneSky/Flexjet.

Both sides have done their best to plead their cases. Both sides have made some compelling arguments.

The side that wants you to remove the Teamsters has claimed that for over twelve years the Teamsters haven’t done much for the pilots. The Teamsters have made high-reaching claims like overwhelming support from the great & powerful International Brotherhood of Teamsters and “Industry Leading Salaries” that would exceed those of NetJets. Yet the salaries were far from Netjets’ and the overwhelming support from the great & powerful IBT couldn’t even handle one person (Kenn Ricci).

When the Flight Options “3 YEAR CONTRACT” came up for amendment in 5 YEARS (2015) the Teamsters made no serious attempts to amend it. They already were in the pockets of the Flight Options pilots. The Flops pilots weren’t going anywhere (with their wallets). The IBT was 100% focused on bagging the “Cash Cow” called Flexjet. How is Travel Management doing while all this has been going on by the way?

Face it. The Teamsters haven’t lived up to their hype. They let the pilots down at Flight Options and they are letting the pilots down at Flexjet. They need to be fired!

The side that wants to remove the Teamsters believe that a unilateral relationship with the management of OneSky would be more productive without the interference of the Teamsters. The company appears to be in an excellent position to excel to the top of the International Fractional Market and the entire workforce stands to benefit from that.

Immediately after the vote comes out with positive proof that the Teamsters are no more, I believe the entire group of pilots will reap the rewards of defeating the Teamsters! That means for the Flight Options pilots a HUGE salary increases (to AT LEAST what the Flexjet pilots are making, if not higher for all). For Flexjet pilots, a return of what was lost. Remember, Flexjet operated just fine without Teamsters.

The Teamsters spew fears of “The Boogie-Man Blacklist” that will swallow you up if you don’t choose them! The Teamsters claim “the end of unions in the entire airline industry” if you don’t choose them. You know what? The airline industry has had unions for a long time. A lot of them are good. And that’s good. They'll be just fine after this vote. Bank on it.
But some of them are not good. And they have been dealt with. Ask NetJets that.

Bad representation needs to either be fixed or removed. That goes with anything in life, “Fix it or replace it”.
That’s all that is happening here.

As for the fear mongering of being “Blacklisted”, cut the BS already! That might have worked in the 70”s & 80’s but times have changed.

Today’s market is so in need of good experienced pilot recruits that all the “Major” airlines can’t get Professional Jet-Experienced (like what you get at Flexjet)Pilots fast enough. Let a biased union pilot on any reputable airline hiring board say “NO” to any Flexjet pilot recruit. That truly is laughable. And it really shows the level of desperation that the Teamsters will stoop to in attempt to survive this vote! Hell, with all the talk the Teamster lackeys on this board have given this topic any lawyer worth anything would be all over the discrimination case! Good work boys & girls!

So this is it.
You can choose the company that wants to work with you and pay you handsomely or choose the Teamsters who will do and say anything to survive and wait until who knows how long to get something…. anything.

Vote for No Representative

 

[ATFCONSUMER20]

There's a reason the Teamsters are on the premises already. We had life without protection from 2N and it sucked! Maybe make some changes to leadership, but to totally abandon any representation is absurd.

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It would help to have some backing from its members as well. Expecting 10% to fight for you while there's another 10% fighting against any progress and the majority sitting silently and waiting for miracles.

 

[Casa212]

There's a reason the Teamsters are on the premises already. We had life without protection from 2N and it sucked! Maybe make some changes to leadership, but to totally abandon any representation is absurd.

Look for the IBT 1108 Truck while in Dallas
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[flexible]

Bad representation needs to either be fixed or removed. That goes with anything in life, “Fix it or replace it”.
That’s all that is happening here.

You are a lying liar.

You never did anything to fix it and you are not trying to replace it.

In case you've forgotten in your ever changing narrative, it's well documented in video and print from national sources, Frank Woelke has admitted this is a straw man attempt to get rid of the union entirely. He has admitted he has the backing of the company and has been given unquantifiable help from inside and outside sources.

This is not about the pilots or getting better representation. This is a complete and total assault on every unionized pilot in this industry.

It's a good thing you're staying anonymous Lumpsum because no matter what happens, win or lose, every pilot associated with the decert effort will have to answer for their con job.

I will personally support, maybe even donate extra, any effort by the IBT to go after your and yours personally for damages. You have threatened my career and you don't just get to slink back into the shadows.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Ahh yes. Unilateral pay increases for everybody. Huge money for everyone. Just vote out the Teamsters and how the money will flow. Don’t mind the man behind the curtain who wrote a book saying quite the opposite. The one who didn’t pay your bonus, took your accrued sick time and reduced your 401k. All without a union on property. But nooowww he’s ready to be generous.

The funny thing about the huge pay increases is that the company could have given them at any time. They could have given a decent 401k to ALL of their employees at anytime. Are you telling me that the union would have turned down a LOA from the company with raises or better retirement? Get real.

In fact the company fought any and all pay raises every step of the way in negotiations. Just like they fought everything else. So much so that the national mediation board has found that the company negotiated in bad faith. What a shock.

Did you not get a vacation this year because you were in the negative with pto? Did you know the union offered a LOA to amend that part of the contract? Who turned it down? Oh, it was that magnanimous management group again. They’d rather screw their pilots if it meant having any leverage at all to throw at the Teamsters. Leverage only available because Flex pilots have steadfastly refused to inform themselves of what’s going on.

What have the Teamsters done for Flex? I can name several illegally fired pilots who got their jobs back. I can name grievance after grievance and lawsuit after lawsuit that the Teamsters won against this management team. In fact, this management team is batting nearly .000 in those cases. Shouldn’t that be shocking? It isn’t. Do you think those suits and grievances are free? Do you think the Teamsters as a whole have made money off of this union? No, they’ve been fighting for Flex pilots in court non stop and losing money doing it.

Think the airline unions aren’t watching? Never mind that all of them have sent letters of support to the 1108 and the current decert drive makes headlines in the ALPA daily updates a few times per week. Never mind that Swapa has set up an informational picket on the matter. Think they can’t let 200 fractional pilots rot when they need thousands, and there are scores of regional captains waiting on the call? 200 pilots is a rounding error in their needs. I can tell you first hand that they’re asking in their interviews.

And what of the decert group? What happened to that in house? Oh it’s being funded with beer money? All pilot driven? Pay no attention to the union busting firm advising and likely writing lumpsum’s tripe. They’re not doing it for free. Union busting isn’t pro bono work.

Stand up for yourselves and your industry. Kenn Ricci and his management team don’t believe in paying their employees well. It’s written on paper and confirmed in practice. They are well versed in playing in the gray areas of scheduling, duty, mx and flight planning. And make no mistake, this fight is as much about stroking Kenn’s ego as it is getting rid of the union he hates. He would love nothing more than to have his name attached to the first successful decert drive in the history of the industry.

I can’t fathom hitching my wagon to that man’s very interesting business vision without having someone with resources to hold him and his collective feet to the fire.

 

[EnFuego]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ts-may-be-next-in-the-corporate-war-on-unions

Don't fool yourself, Lumpsum is management or one of the highly paid outsiders who are driving this decert effort. This is just their first step. And the Unions are well aware of it.

I do do agree with him on one thing though. ASK THE NETJETS PILOTS IF THEY WOULD VOTE FOR:
no representation OR IBT Airline Division! Because 95+% of them would not be caught dead without a Union! That's why they out earn us, their retirement is twice ours and their insurance is FREE!
Vote IBT Airline Division!

 

[cougar12]

You have crisscrossed the country and flown numerous rescue and pop-up trips while logging very long, arduous duty days. But now, you have reached the last day of your tour when you can look forward to going home to spend time with your family and friends, setting work aside for a few days. Well, maybe …

“Accordingly the Company may increase or decrease your hours and may require overtime as we deem necessary for running our business. Volunteers will normally be asked for in these situations. However, failure to work adjusted schedules or required overtime may result in corrective action up to and including termination [...] Refusal to work required overtime may result in corrective action and will be reviewed on a case by case basis.” - OneSky Employee Guide, Revision Date 11/2014, page 27 and 28.


Your current CBA contains language that ensures you have the right to go home on the last scheduled duty day of your tour. Without the benefit of this language, management has every right to tell you: “Do not plan anything for your first day home because you might not be going home as planned!” And if you refuse? According to the Employee Manual, “Refusal to work required overtime may result in corrective action and will be reviewed on a case by case basis.”

Every OneSky pilot is working for a paycheck. However, what good is it if you do not have the opportunity to spend time with your loved ones because management will have the unfettered authority to extend your tour, and you will have little option but to accept the assignment?

Is not being returned to your crew base on your last duty day good for you and your family?

VOTE: IBT AIRLINE DIVISION!

 

[shanes123]

This will probably be my last post here for a long time if not ever.( unless someone really stupid posts something that really pisses me off) I no longer have a horse in this race and after 18 long miserable years it feels great. The outcome of this election has already been decided. The votes just haven't been counted. The pilots voting for the 1108 have made up their mind as well as the pilots against. Everyone knows how their voting.. Now its just majority wins. I just wanna say this last thing. I am not a Bible thumping union guy I believe there are companies that would never need representation. However this place is NOT it. This company is the poster child for a union.Dont listen to 2NN words, Don't listen to IBT defenses, Don't read 2NN book, or watch his videos, don't listen to the Unions promises or what they have done or failed to do. Just look at the history of 2NN and if you can say he has been generous with his employees in all his companies not just a few Flex guys he's been trying to keep happy. ask the Mechanics,Dispatchers, Cabin servers, Hell ask the damn janitor the last time they got a raise. ask the 70 guys fired for no reason, ask the people threatened over and over. and if you still feel you can live here with no job PROTECTION. then have at it. I am off to drink a few beers and Cheers to all the good pilots here and F the rest. Shanes123 over and out!!!!

 

[airman2105]

Mr Lumpy, why do you call it bad representation? Representation is representation full stop. Bad representation is any representation that disagrees with a bad deal being handed down to the pilots. Disagree with management and it is bad representation!!! VOTE IBT1108.

 

[GooodLaaa]

Voting has started at OneSky/Flexjet.

Both sides have done their best to plead their cases. Both sides have made some compelling arguments.

The side that wants you to remove the Teamsters has claimed that for over twelve years the Teamsters haven’t done much for the pilots. The Teamsters have made high-reaching claims like overwhelming support from the great & powerful International Brotherhood of Teamsters and “Industry Leading Salaries” that would exceed those of NetJets. Yet the salaries were far from Netjets’ and the overwhelming support from the great & powerful IBT couldn’t even handle one person (Kenn Ricci).

When the Flight Options “3 YEAR CONTRACT” came up for amendment in 5 YEARS (2015) the Teamsters made no serious attempts to amend it. They already were in the pockets of the Flight Options pilots. The Flops pilots weren’t going anywhere (with their wallets). The IBT was 100% focused on bagging the “Cash Cow” called Flexjet. How is Travel Management doing while all this has been going on by the way?

Face it. The Teamsters haven’t lived up to their hype. They let the pilots down at Flight Options and they are letting the pilots down at Flexjet. They need to be fired!

The side that wants to remove the Teamsters believe that a unilateral relationship with the management of OneSky would be more productive without the interference of the Teamsters. The company appears to be in an excellent position to excel to the top of the International Fractional Market and the entire workforce stands to benefit from that.

Immediately after the vote comes out with positive proof that the Teamsters are no more, I believe the entire group of pilots will reap the rewards of defeating the Teamsters! That means for the Flight Options pilots a HUGE salary increases (to AT LEAST what the Flexjet pilots are making, if not higher for all). For Flexjet pilots, a return of what was lost. Remember, Flexjet operated just fine without Teamsters.

The Teamsters spew fears of “The Boogie-Man Blacklist” that will swallow you up if you don’t choose them! The Teamsters claim “the end of unions in the entire airline industry” if you don’t choose them. You know what? The airline industry has had unions for a long time. A lot of them are good. And that’s good. They'll be just fine after this vote. Bank on it.
But some of them are not good. And they have been dealt with. Ask NetJets that.

Bad representation needs to either be fixed or removed. That goes with anything in life, “Fix it or replace it”.
That’s all that is happening here.

As for the fear mongering of being “Blacklisted”, cut the BS already! That might have worked in the 70”s & 80’s but times have changed.

Today’s market is so in need of good experienced pilot recruits that all the “Major” airlines can’t get Professional Jet-Experienced (like what you get at Flexjet)Pilots fast enough. Let a biased union pilot on any reputable airline hiring board say “NO” to any Flexjet pilot recruit. That truly is laughable. And it really shows the level of desperation that the Teamsters will stoop to in attempt to survive this vote! Hell, with all the talk the Teamster lackeys on this board have given this topic any lawyer worth anything would be all over the discrimination case! Good work boys & girls!

So this is it.
You can choose the company that wants to work with you and pay you handsomely or choose the Teamsters who will do and say anything to survive and wait until who knows how long to get something…. anything.

Vote for No Representative

You are wrong, a blacklist will happen. But that pales in comparison to what will happen to those that remain at OneSky. It will be HELL on Earth! Ricci will keep crews out past the day they think they’re going home, he will not deliver on any of his promises....HE will not have to do anything without a contract in force! Vote for representation!!!!!!