Merging of Senority Lists at ASA/Skywest?

[Positive Rate]

So....if Skywest were to merge ASA and Skywest lists....

Without ALPA?

With ALPA?

How would that work?

Is part of the big ALPA drive, due to this to help out the ASA guys? Or would it help the Skywest guys?

Anyone have some good insite on this?

 

[rickair7777]

If ALPA comes to SKW, they would probably have to merge.

If ALPA does not come to SKW, they could not be merged (unless ASA voluntarily de-certified, which ain't realistic).

Other than that there are no options.


Also since ASA has a more senior workforce, SKW FO's have an incentive not to vote for ALPA since a DOH merger would delay their upgrade opportunities.

 

[doug_or]

If ALPA does not come to SKW, they could not be merged

Why not?

 

[flygirl556]

that doesn't make sense. Remember TWA and American?

 

[VeeOne]

Another worthless post in an effort to create bad blood between SkyWest and ASA..........

 

[flygirl556]

From what I understand, if ALPA comes on property, the 2 pilot groups along with lawyers figure it out and if they can't come to an agreement, a judge makes the final decision. If ALPA isn't on property if and when we merge, it's my understanding that JA decides how it's done. It's also my understanding that he's stated he'll merge by DOH which would screw over a lot of SKW pilots.

 

[wms]

I doubt he'd hurt his own boys (and girls). He hasn't done ASA any favors yet.

 

[rickair7777]

that doesn't make sense. Remember TWA and American?

Whole different scenario...the AA group outnumbered TWA, and both groups were union so it was just a matter of which union would represent them going forward...obviously APA, to the eternal regret of the TWA guys.

The SKW pilot group could not be forcibly integrated into a smaller ALPA group. And the only people who could even try to make that happen is SKW, Inc...why on earth would they do that? They oppose the union, remember?

 

[rickair7777]

it's my understanding that JA decides how it's done. It's also my understanding that he's stated he'll merge by DOH which would screw over a lot of SKW pilots.

He probably wouldn't say that, even if he was thinking it. It would only make the SKW pilots more likely to vote ALPA to get some control over their destiny. Remember his philosophy is benign dicatorship.

 

[amcnd]

What about America west and US air... Both alpa US air got hosed. Anyway wont happen JA doesn't want to merge the companies they are still to different on the ops side of thing.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I think an eventual merger is likely after ASA's contract. Already the ASA General Office staff has been cut down to the point where anything more significant than putting paper in the copier requires a call to St. George.

If merged, there is a significant possibility ALPA could get voted off the property. It obviously would be better for the SkyWest guys if they voted in ALPA so at least they have somebody at the table for them.

Seniority for the merged list would likely be handled via a ratio. No windfalls, no huge training cost for management, no big realignment of domiciles. Imagine the most pragmatic solution you can, with the lowest costs imaginable and that will be pretty close to what happens. With ALPA the result will be more stable, orderly & predictable. Either way, no windfalls.

The wild card in all of this is if SkyWest decides to go their own way outside of codeshare, which is again rumored to be a consideration. Who knows how they might staff that operation, but I doubt they will want any longevity.

 

[Steveair]

If the lists are ever merged, it will be 5 years from now or later and only if ALPA is voted in. SkyWest is slowly taking ASA apart piece by piece. There's not going to be an ASA in 10 years.

 

[Positive Rate]

Another worthless post in an effort to create bad blood between SkyWest and ASA..........

No...its an honest question....if anyone on ASA or Skywest is hurt by that question...I certainly apologize......

I m just asking to help my determination of voting in favor of ALPA or not.....and what kind of mess that might make if it is voted in or not voted in.......

 

[Jon Rivoli]

You ever meet Brad Holt? I'd bet that as far as he's concerned the DOH for all ASA pilots is 9/2005.

 

[flygirl556]

What about America west and US air... Both alpa US air got hosed. Anyway wont happen JA doesn't want to merge the companies they are still to different on the ops side of thing.

amcnd--you're right, US Air did get hosed even though they were both ALPA. Before the verdict was in, an America West jumpseater told me that the two groups were fighting it out in court but couldn't come to an agreement so it was left to a judge to decide and whatever the judge came up with was final.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Ha, that's funny. Brad Holt does not, and will not, decide the seniority of anybody.

We have out own version, Brian LaBreque.

Neither one of them is safe if the "two Bobs" show up.

 

[flygirl556]

No...its an honest question....if anyone on ASA or Skywest is hurt by that question...I certainly apologize......

I m just asking to help my determination of voting in favor of ALPA or not.....and what kind of mess that might make if it is voted in or not voted in.......

I've also often wondered how ALPA on both properties would effect a merger and from what I understand, if ALPA is on property, the two pilot groups try to come to a fair agreement. If ALPA isn't on property, someone else, I'm not sure who, would make the decision on how the lists are merged. I may be wrong in my interpretation, but that tells me that with ALPA on both properties, both pilot groups will have a say in the matter and hopefully work towards a fair and quitable agreement. If ALPA isn't on both properties, the pilot groups have no say in how the lists get merged. I asked a couple people and that's the answer I got. Whether it's right or not I don't know. If anybody else has other helpful intel in the matter, please feel free to chime in.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Flygirl, you are correct. With ALPA you have representation and a framework that has been used in many prior mergers. Without SkyWest ALPA, it is the wild west.

 

[rtmcfi]

The amount of bad info on this thread is staggering......
SkyWest pilots voting for or against ALPA will not trigger or prevent an integration. ALPA could press for a single carrier petition. They could do this with or without the SkyWest pilots being members. SGU could force an integration. They would have to deal with ALPA on the ASA side. If the SkyWest pilots choose to be represented by ALPA, SGU will have to deal with the SkyWest ALPA as well. At that point, the ALPA bylaws will be used to determine the integration. If the SkyWest pilots do not choose to be represented by ALPA, they will not have a seat at the table, and ASA pilots could push for a staple. They will not likely get it, but there would be nothing preventing them from trying. There may well be no integration. JA has said that he thinks DOH would be the way an integration should go.

Saying that if ALPA does not come to SkyWest there will be no integration is simply incorrect. Saying that if ALPA does come to SkyWest there will be an integration is no better. Much of this would be somewhat uncharted territory. What is for certain is that if ALPA does represent the pilots of SkyWest, there is an established protocol that will be followed. Not to be a fear-monger, but with out real representation, SkyWest pilots will get whatever scraps are left for them.

 

[flygirl556]

Flygirl, you are correct. With ALPA you have representation and a framework that has been used in many prior mergers. Without SkyWest ALPA, it is the wild west.

So to paraphrase, for SKW folks out there who are wondering, I guess the question to ask yourself is "Do I want to have a say in how things might shake out or do I want to let someone else, who's quality of life isn't affected by a merger, make the decision for me?" Is that pretty much it?