MDA-RP transaction

[I.P. Freley]

Did I ever mention Airtran??

Did you mention it yourself? No. Did your post about the 100-seat 717 quote a prior post about the AirTran pay rates? Yes. Could one then infer that you were talking about AirTran 717's? Of course. Why are you being so difficult about this? No telling.

 

[KingAirer]

Im not sure what youre trying to say. I am saying, that E195 rates need to be as high as B717 rates that have been established.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Im not sure what youre trying to say. I am saying, that E195 rates need to be as high as B717 rates that have been established.

I'm not debating that. All regional pay scales are inadequate.

 

[KingAirer]

That was for labbat...have a nice day.

 

[I.P. Freley]

You too, sweetie.

 

[StarChecker]

The profession as a whole needs CHQ guys to make sizeable gains in their next contract, especially in the 70-99 seat category...

Absolutely right...those planes are here now...and those pay rates will go up.

 

[c-wood75]

and while learning to fly this self-proclaimed "mainline" 170/190 not only do you not get paid the first month, you get to have a roomate in tiny hotel room from indoc all the way to the checkride. nice when your roomates sim gets done at 3 AM....mainline airplane for CFI pay.

I have already submitted my next 3 votes on the contract----no, no, and no...

 

[RP170]

and while learning to fly this self-proclaimed "mainline" 170/190 not only do you not get paid the first month, you get to have a roomate in tiny hotel room from indoc all the way to the checkride. nice when your roomates sim gets done at 3 AM....mainline airplane for CFI pay.

I have already submitted my next 3 votes on the contract----no, no, and no...

I didn't have a roommate and a few other new hires in my class didn't either. Just depends I guess. You get $500 your first month and guarantee begins after 30 days.

 

[surplus1]

To the CHQ guys - what I would like to know is why did you give up your seniority to U pilots in J4J? Why are they sitting in the captain's seats of your airplanes now and why do you think its OK to give 1/2 the seats on these new aircraft to them? How did these airpleanes get to be a part of J4J?

Since you already gave up your seniority once (for shiny new airplanes) it is logical to assume they would expect you to do it again now (for more shiny new airplanes).

Wnen someboy plays you for a sucker one time it is not at all unusual that they expect to be able to do it again.

We shall see whether or not you let it happen for the second time.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Starchecker said, "Absolutely right...those planes are here now...and those pay rates will go up."

I won't hold my breath.

Not your fault of course, but the airline pilot profession is no longer what I -- or, i'd guess any of you -- expected it to be.

As pilotyip is so fond of saying, "You better fly because you love it, because if you fly for the money you'll be dissapointed"

He's absolutely right. The airline pilot profession has become a joke.

And yet people still line up for the opportunity. PT Barnum was right.

 

[Mike15601]

I didn't have a roommate and a few other new hires in my class didn't either. Just depends I guess. You get $500 your first month and guarantee begins after 30 days.

Ohhhhhhhh, and at Wendy's you can make 1000.00 your first month. John Ornstein was right when he told a MESA class "as long as I keep filling classes with pilots, It means I am still paying to much". I guess people dont want to be able to own their own home anymore or drive a nice car. This business has hit rock bottom. And as the race to the utter bottom continues, the higher paying jobs in aviation will be gone or staffed by low wage earners and there will be no brass ring to be had. Very sad indeed.

 

[KingAirer]

To the CHQ guys - what I would like to know is why did you give up your seniority to U pilots in J4J? Why are they sitting in the captain's seats of your airplanes now and why do you think its OK to give 1/2 the seats on these new aircraft to them? How did these airpleanes get to be a part of J4J?

Since you already gave up your seniority once (for shiny new airplanes) it is logical to assume they would expect you to do it again now (for more shiny new airplanes).

Wnen someboy plays you for a sucker one time it is not at all unusual that they expect to be able to do it again.

We shall see whether or not you let it happen for the second time.

J4J guys go on the bottom of the sr list. So no Seniority is given up. Its certainly not an ideal situation, but at the time two years ago the who republic thing was cropping up as j4j. There are Captains now jr to J4Jers so, they have really been blended in as everyone else. The J4J deal that was done 2 years ago, is still in affect by contract, which is what the 170 pilots will be coming over as.

The only fight that CHq pilot will have is with aircraft with greater then 100 seats, E195, or greater then 32 total new Usair aircraft (the limit of j4j).

 

[OldManPilot]

To the CHQ guys - what I would like to know is why did you give up your seniority to U pilots in J4J? Why are they sitting in the captain's seats of your airplanes now and why do you think its OK to give 1/2 the seats on these new aircraft to them? How did these airpleanes get to be a part of J4J?

Since you already gave up your seniority once (for shiny new airplanes) it is logical to assume they would expect you to do it again now (for more shiny new airplanes).

Wnen someboy plays you for a sucker one time it is not at all unusual that they expect to be able to do it again.

We shall see whether or not you let it happen for the second time.

I am not sure what you mean by "give up your seniority". All J4J pilots (cpt or f/o) remain in their seniority position in all U bases they serve. Thus any pilot senior on the seniority list when they upgrade go ahead of all the J4J Captains. Also what J4J did was allow us to grow and it also allowed us to help pilots out of work. How can you keep bashing that? It was a win - win situation for CHQ pilots and unemployed U pilots. Our J4J deal is for 32 airframes which will include most if not all the MDA 170's. Again this is a win-win for CHQ/RP pilots, and at least 50% of MDA pilots. If we vote to allow more than 32 airframes when that time comes, more MDA pilots will get jobs as well.

So please before you bash CHQ/RP/S5 again, explain how your company has helped Furloughed U pilots.

Remember: You don't get paid what your worth, you get paid what you negotiate!

 

[stb]

Have a friend at MDA

ALPA wants some kind of super-seniority that is just not gonna happen. We're probably gonna take 50% of them....to the bottom of our list.

and he doubts 20% of the pilots will even elect to go to CHQ. There is some training contract that is being talked about for two years. The only ones that might go are the PDT/ALG F/O pilots.

Dont be to proud of a lawsuit for CHQ senority, the lawsuit is about how MDA pilots are USAirways pilots. Indoc, Recurrent training have USAirways crews, the Airline Ceritificate, Lyle Hogg is "Senior" Chief Pilot", the list goes on..
The three hundred or so pilot numbers should be included in the snapshot intigration with AWA. The 300 additional spots would be given as recall on the APL list to the new USAirways/AWA list.

So Mr. Star Checker, you can have your shiny new third world country jet, walking around the airport "looking" for StarBucks wearing your dad's 1980's Top Gun Tom Cruise signature in the lense RayBans, trying to pick up women waiting to repeat Top Gun lines as," I'm Capt. Star Checker... thats right I'm dangerous." You actually bought a StarBucks cup for 25 cents three weeks ago (a new record) and drinking airplane coffee out of it while strolling the airport for "hot chicks" waiting for passengers to ask,"How do you get to baggage claim?" while handing them an airline comment card already filled out by you, about your excellent customer service.
You uniform consists of two pilot shirts with stains in the armpits and one pair of uniform pants from Wal-Mart with the iron burns on the leg and staples for heims. Not only do your socks have holes in them, they get wet because of the holes in the sides and bottom of your shoes. Your hat is 3 sizes bigger than it should be and you tuck your ears in it. (See Barney from Andy Griffen) You wear you jacket in the summer because it hides the yellow armpit stains but you dont notice the white rings under the jackets armpit.
At your overnight, you grab a big bag of peanuts, pretzels etc off the plane for dinner. Then get to your overnight at the Motel 6 and dont tip the driver. While at the Motel 6, you take the remote battery, a couple of lightbulbs then if your lucky, the maid is to busy to notice you ransacking her cart for extra shampoo, Jergans hand lotion, soap, towels, sheets and pens and paper to stock "your" shinny new jet to write down the ATIS/Clearence on your Sporty's kneeboard. The you call the Chief Pilot and tell him you stocked the plane and you will be over later in the week to cut his grass and paint his house.
In the hotel, you call the office desk and complain they dont have The Wings Channel or The Military Channel. Then call scheduling and ask to fly on your days -off while you take your logbook out and log your "Heavy Iron" jet time with that .0001 actual instrument. [ok most of us do the logbook thing for the first 6 months of turbo-prop/jet time.]
Then you get the SCAB list out and crossout the guys that turn 60. You stand in the mirror and senerio the dream of confronting a SCAB when he asks you for a jumpseat. What looks better, looking over the top of the sunglasses or pulling the sunglasses off in anger?
Then you call some girl (cousin) that you told your a Captain for Delta, American, Continental or USAirways and forgot to include Connection, Eagle or Express. You tell her how you had to take the airplane controls away from the Captain because "things werent going very well and you had to save everyones life".
Finally you lay down to go to sleep and take your sunglasses off till tommorrow next to the alarm clock.
I'm sure your dream consists of deadheading on a mainline flight then hearing the PA, is there a pilot on board, We need one to fly the plane your our last hope.
You land the plane save everyone and the mainline CEO calls your cellphone and offers you a job on the spot.
I could go on but I've spent enough time on this...

Ok one more..

Whats the difference between a good hotel and a great hotel?

Hotel supplied Jergens hand lotion

 

[FlamingFUPA]

Jeezuz, how long did that take you to type up?