McKinley suggests F-18 for ANG, C-27J out..

[4 Fan Trashcan]

No one in the Air Force wants to fly C-130s or have anything to do with supporting the Army.

The Air Forcce couldn't care less about the guys on the ground.

Astounding. You're either completely ignorant, flame baiting or both. Either way, congrats...you just made my ignore list. Now get lost.

 

[SIG600]

Northrop had an F-18L in the 80s proposal they were trying to get buyers for, it was a F/A-18A without any carrier gear.

Make it a C model with 402 motors and that would be little hot rod.

 

[erj-145mech]

Northrop had an F-18L in the 80s proposal they were trying to get buyers for, it was a F/A-18A without any carrier gear.

That was the YF-17, and it was in the 70's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17

 

[Fox-Tree]

That was the YF-17, and it was in the 70's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-17

No. It was the F-18L and it was the 80s.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher4/f18_9.html

 

[Heywood Jablomi]

Astounding. You're either completely ignorant, flame baiting or both. Either way, congrats...you just made my ignore list. Now get lost.

Or maybe I've got 20+ years of being disapointed by non-support from flat-dicks in shiny silk scarves.

 

[ALIMBO]

Honestly performance number wise is the F-16 better or worse than the F-18 at air to air and air to ground? Being an air force guy I'm going to lean towards the 16.

 

[JungleJett]

Haywood...

20 years with the Salvation Army does not count.

Isn't there a thread for COD players you could be hyping your "military" service on?

 

[SIG600]

Honestly performance number wise is the F-16 better or worse than the F-18 at air to air and air to ground? Being an air force guy I'm going to lean towards the 16.

All things being equal, I'd give the edge to the Hornet, in particular the Marine Corps D's with LITNING Pods, for a lot of reasons. In today's real world environment I'll give it up to the Viper. You guys don't have to worry about recovery times at the boat which gives you all the loiter you need. As long as there's gas airborne, there's a runway waiting for you. Not so with us. On that same note, we have to balance ordnance load with gas when it comes to our max trap weight. The more bombs you bring home, the less gas you can have, and having no gas around the boat can get ugly fast... so it's risk mitigation. Or we can carry a sh1t ton, and jettison it but that gets expensive after about 3 days. The higher level of risk we accept, the more bombs we'll sling. You guys can carry everything under the sun, and bring it all back.

 

[HooverPilot]

Haywood...

20 years with the Salvation Army does not count.

Isn't there a thread for COD players you could be hyping your "military" service on?

Hey, don't hate on the COD, pick something bad like the P-3. You have to get off the ship for Admin Queen somehow don't you?!

edit: Oh, and we bring you your porn, mail and other "needed items".

 

[JungleJett]

Hey, don't hate on the COD, pick something bad like the P-3. You have to get off the ship for Admin Queen somehow don't you?!

edit: Oh, and we bring you your porn, mail and other "needed items".

No...no...no...I meant Call of Duty...the game.

Years ago at the Little Rock air show, they had an award for the ugliest airplane at the show. They were in the process of announcing it...but had yet to get to the winner when the COD crew stood up and started walking towards the podium...the plac was cracking up!

 

[dtfl]

Air Force pilots make general officer and retire. They go to work for Lockheed Martin. They make fantastic money selling what ever crap LM makes to the Air Force, because their former subordinates are the decision makers and want their retirement jobs at LM as well. No one in the Air Force wants to fly C-130s or have anything to do with supporting the Army.

The Army doesn't always have six months advanced notice of when they're going to need something in a combat situation, so they would like to have their own intratheater lift capability. They want something self-deployable, but not necessarily something that does the global reach on a routine basis. The C27 fills that role nicely. The Air Force sees the C27 as a threat to their budget, so they craft arguments against it. Just like they killed the Army's C7 Caribou program, they have taken the approach, suggesting to the Army that they make the C27 a "Joint" program (of course they must be the "lead" service, so they can later kill it).

The name of the game is money, and budget, and end-strength. The Air Forcce couldn't care less about the guys on the ground.

For someone with so many airframes under his/her belt your post makes you sound extremely naive.
The AF can AD or AL something short notice. VERY short notice is AFSOC brings it. And FW vs RW is doctrinal for the most part.