Massive Air Force reduction

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

F-15Cs were humbled by the Indians. Some say it was planned that way to show that we need the F-22.

 

[DaveGriffin]

What happened at Cope India that made such an impact on the AF?

-LA

Some think that the senior AF planners set-up a no-win situation against the Indians to help make the case stronger for the massive F-22 budget.

By rigging the rules of the exercise to favor the Indians, they hamstrung our F-15s with unrealistic handicaps.

They gave a fire-and-forget capability to the Indians but denied it to our F-15s.

With our guys flying against 3:1 odds, 3 Indian airplanes to every 1 US airplane, our guys had the range of their AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles cut from 100 km to under 35 km.

The pilots of our F-15s didn’t throw the fight, they were sent in with one arm tied behind their backs. The F-15 lost, making a stronger case for the F-22 budget.

 

[bssthound]

Originally posted by Laxman:
And to the rest of you who think you know everything about fighter ops and have not lived it in the last few years, you have no idea but you opinions are just that. Opinion.Yesterday 22:33


Shack!! (that does still denote a direct hit, doesn't it?? )
I took off my g-suit 14 years ago. Much, much too soon. I remember very well listening to people who "knew someone who said this" or had "read that somewhere." What I knew about the tactical environment from eating, breathing, and sleeping it all those years ago is old, old news.
Our doctrine is shaped around getting bombs & bullets on target with max survivability. As the threat changes we adapt. I remember that the coalition got shot up pretty badly coming in low during the beginning of the 1st Gulf War. We adapted. As far as CAS, I'd bet on Magnum's Sniper Pod. I've not looked through one, of course, but I'll durn sure take the word of someone who has!!
By the way, Laxman, which blue roof?? Here, in Biloxi, just about every roof that's still on top of a house is blue!!

 

[dtfl]

The Texas Air Guard is getting Predators at, of all places, Ellington. I'm sure it is going to be a lot of fun operating UAVs in and out of one of the most busy class 'B' areas in the world.

I'm sure the solution will be just to ban the bugsmashers once and for all.

The TANG is recruiting, if you need a UAV job.

WHOA...Ellington? I hope to hell they dont build billeting so I can still come stay at the Marriot and see Shae...(mmmm Shae - think thats how you spell it) and get the awesome service at Southwest Services. Never watched porn on a 100" screen until I stopped into THAT base ops. For only a minute. Its not cool to see porn and your crew sitting around you.

Think I'll take a plane and go back there in a couple weeks...aaaah the weekend XC. What a wonderful thing.

On a more serious note. Ellington with Predators? How in the hell? HOW? I can't even get a TACAN app into there on busy days. If they DO put them there - you thinks its for border purposes?

 

[XShipRider]

Does this affect the airline industry positively?

I know there are several ways to look at this but how does this affect
the airline industry?

I figure there will be a couple thousand highly qualified pilots walking the
streets looking for flying jobs (at least for those who want to continue
flying). This saturates a market to some degree. Does this put the
airlines in the driver's seat, so to speak? Does it allow for demands of
give-backs from groups and unions with an increase in aircrew pool?

I'm sure there are many ways to look at this but I was just wondering on
what the professional pilot's take is on this.

 

[Gorilla]

F-15Cs were humbled by the Indians. Some say it was planned that way to show that we need the F-22.

I don't think there was some secret F-22 budget conspiracy here; rather, it was simply a case of overconfidence, one justifiably earned by decades of severely spanking foreign counter-air forces. Our guys would be limited with ROE designed to maximize training for both sides. The other countries never wanted to play if they were always dead pre-merge and had to aileron roll out of a fight without any meaningful training.

Europeans, Israelis, and occasionally the Japanese would put up a good fight, but never before from other countries. It sounds like the Indians really got their act together and can field a powerful air-to-air threat. The long evolution of third-world tactics from the pathetic Soviet-style GCI encounter is almost complete. The foreign forces are learning to integrate their GCI with onboard radar and individual initiative in a positive way.

 

[El-Rushbo]

Some think that the senior AF planners set-up a no-win situation against the Indians to help make the case stronger for the massive F-22 budget.

By rigging the rules of the exercise to favor the Indians, they hamstrung our F-15s with unrealistic handicaps.

They gave a fire-and-forget capability to the Indians but denied it to our F-15s.

With our guys flying against 3:1 odds, 3 Indian airplanes to every 1 US airplane, our guys had the range of their AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles cut from 100 km to under 35 km.

The pilots of our F-15s didn’t throw the fight, they were sent in with one arm tied behind their backs. The F-15 lost, making a stronger case for the F-22 budget.

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