Marquis/NetJets

[fracman]

Just curious - I've heard conflicting information on how Marquis trips are dispatched Part 91 or Part 135. Can anyone confirm one way or another?

 

[InstructorPuke]

I believe the ones I have been involved with were 135.

 

[fracman]

Thanks. Looks like Delta (AirElite) wants to play in this segment as well:

http://www.airelite.com/news/02_18_03.cfm

 

[bizjet737]

i had several marquis trips in the bbj in 2002. supposed to be 135, but the "magic wand" was waved over the computer and abrcadabra! - the trips became 91! (the bbj wasn't 135 certified until the end of 2002)

 

[wingwalker]

My understanding is ALL Marquis flights have to be Part 135
due to the fact that they are under a somewhat confusing "sub-let" share arangement. (The BBJ exception is the first I've heard otherwise). I have flown a handful and they were all 135.

 

[bizjet737]

yes, marquis trips are SUPPOSED to be 135. however, just wait until you get an f/o that isn't 135 current, or maybe you aren't. think they'll reposition another crew? NO! the magic wand will be waved over the computer and the trip magically becomes an "A" (admin) or "QD" (demo) part 91 trip! i know for a fact we've flown marquis 91 many times - i've had it done myself and kept the paperwork - just in case. like i said above - the bbj wasn't 135 until december 2002 - how did marquis do all those bbj trips to the january 2002 superbowl???

 

[wingwalker]

....Yes, marquis trips are SUPPOSED to be 135. however, just wait until you get an f/o that isn't 135 current, or maybe you aren't. think they'll reposition another crew? NO! the magic wand will be waved over the computer and the trip magically becomes an "A" (admin) or "QD" (demo) part 91 trip! [/B]

Yes, now that you mention it, I did have a mysterious
"demo flight" once. Now I see what you mean....

 

[fracman]

Interesting. This is from the Marquis web site:

"Flights based upon any fractional interest which entitles the cardholder to less than 50 hours per year of occupied flight time will be flown by NetJets on the NetJets fleet under its FAR Part 135 certificate."

Since Marquis sells 25 hour shares - shouldn't all the flights be dispatched under Part 135?

 

[mike]

That is right, but the majic wand is all powerful.

Don't confess to crimes on a website fellas. Keep it in house and fix what is broke.

Be safe.

 

[fracman]

Wonder if the magic wand will fix a suspended ticket? I'd be filling out a NASA report every time they asked me to fly a Marquis "owner" under Part 91.

 

[cgmason1]

Actually if there was a problem with the FAA with one of these flights--there would not be any suspension of any pilot licenses--the only possible action would be against NetJets 135 Certificate.
The company designates what the flights are--ie Part 135 or Part 91.

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[varicam]

Couldn't disagree more Chuck. If the FAA finds out that a for-hire flight was flown without full compliance with Part 135, they're coming after both pilots with guns blazing. Sure, they'll burn the company too, if that's any solace.

Been there, done that!

 

[mike]

Yep, and the NASA form won't help. You may side-step a monetary judgement, but the felony will mean a suspension of your meal ticket. The felony also means the TSA can pull your pilot certificate. New rules in the last 90 days.

Fly safe.

 

[Buckeye]

What are marquis flights?

 

[fracman]

Marquis sells 25 hours worth of flight time over a period of 12 months requiring no ownership of an aircraft. To facilitate this they contract with NetJets and supposedly use their 135 certificate to dispatch these flights.

Here's their web site www.marquis.com

 

[GVFlyer]

Actually, it's "Cheap Charter." You can recover fuel and operating costs.

GV

 

[35to1]

I have flown countless Marquis flights and ALL have been designated 135!
Why would you slander a topic like this on a public forum?

 

[fracman]

Slander??

I have no clue what you're talking about. I have heard that Marquis initially dispatched everything Part 91, then changed to Part 135. It was a curiosity question, nothing else. If these are Part 135 trips with 135 restrictions then the Marquis "owner" will be unable to access airports that don't meet 135 runway/weather reporting requirements. If some of the flights are selectively dispatched under Part 91 (not saying this is the case), then the crew should make sure they don't get caught in the middle.

 

[Otter]

The truth is always a perfect defense, unless you are talking to the Federal Government, and then one tends to be guilty until proven innocent.