Many Midwest flights aren't Midwest at all

[CitationLover]

I find it interesting that on the one hand the RAH pilots are bashed for failing to read in detail and consider the potential effect six years down the line of the contract they signed in 2003, yet on the other hand there is mention that the lawyers, not the pilots, are responsible for the lack of protections in the Midwest contract.

there were protections built in, management is getting away with calling outsourcing a "code-share", when we all know it isn't one. an arbitrator ruled in favor of them.

 

[Axel]

Now I get it:

The Midwest guys listened to their lawyer(s) and ratified the contract that an arbitrator later interpreted to mean the "code share" is legal, costing them their jobs.

OTOH, the RAH pilots each failed as individuals to read each and every word in the TA prior to ratification and failed to recognize that six years later this might happen and an arbitrator would consider it to be legal. Then the rest of the industry says the RAH pilots are scabs because they don't get themselves fired for engaging in an illegal job action, even though the Midwest pilots didn't either.

Sounds reasonable to me.

 

[CitationLover]

Now I get it:

The Midwest guys listened to their lawyer(s) and ratified the contract that an arbitrator later interpreted to mean the "code share" is legal, costing them their jobs.

OTOH, the RAH pilots each failed as individuals to read each and every word in the TA prior to ratification and failed to recognize that six years later this might happen and an arbitrator would consider it to be legal. Then the rest of the industry says the RAH pilots are scabs because they don't get themselves fired for engaging in an illegal job action, even though the Midwest pilots didn't either.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Pick your pay rates/benefits/work rules up to ours (ie even the playing field) and we can discuss your hypothesis. Your cheap labor being outsourced (ie the third world phone centers), pure and simple. It appears you're content with that, you're entitled to that. Don't expect me to feel any sort of empathy for any of you.

 

[Axel]

Oh, no empathy requested. Just pointing out that it was mentioned that the lawyers failed to comb the Midwest contract for loopholes and not the fault of the pilots when management found a big one and exploited it, but it is the fault of the the RAH pilots because as individuals they failed to find the sister loophole in their contract that enabled the respective managements exploit the loophole in the Midwest contract.

Then it is put forth that since it was legal per the Midwest contract (the arbitrator said so), the Midwest guys have no choice but to take it because to do otherwise would constitute an illegal job action while, even though it is legal per the RAH pilot contract as well, the RAH pilots are vilified for not engaging in an illegal job action

I'm not defending any side here. I'm just pointing out what appears to be a bit of a double standard.

 

[deadstick]

Once all the 717s are gone, would the arbitrator still rule the operation a "code share" vs "out soursed?"

 

[flylike44]

Oh, no empathy requested. Just pointing out that it was mentioned that the lawyers failed to comb the Midwest contract for loopholes and not the fault of the pilots when management found a big one and exploited it, but it is the fault of the the RAH pilots because as individuals they failed to find the sister loophole in their contract that enabled the respective managements exploit the loophole in the Midwest contract.

Then it is put forth that since it was legal per the Midwest contract (the arbitrator said so), the Midwest guys have no choice but to take it because to do otherwise would constitute an illegal job action while, even though it is legal per the RAH pilot contract as well, the RAH pilots are vilified for not engaging in an illegal job action

I'm not defending any side here. I'm just pointing out what appears to be a bit of a double standard.

yup. and after a week or so of being gone, citationlover still hasn't answered the question of what the republic group is supposed to do about all this. what he has done is shown a complete lack of understanding concerning this whole mess. he has blaming others and pointing fingers down to a science though.

 

[Axel]

Once all the 717s are gone, would the arbitrator still rule the operation a "code share" vs "out soursed?"

Now THAT is a good question.

I can't say the RAH pilots "aren't any happier about this mess" because the RAH group is not the group seeing their jobs go to another group. But that is not to say the RAH group is happy. With the exception of those under the 5% rule, the RAH pilots think this sucks, too.

But the unfortunate fact remains that it is legal according to both contracts and any concerted self-help undertaken by either group would be quashed immediately. Any RAH pilot individually declining the flying would be immediately fired. Martyrdom is all well and good and who would NOT want their 72 virgins but there would be no practical effect on the situation.

It is not reasonable to expect them to fall upon their swords. It is less reasonable for those outside either of the groups to demand such.

 

[CitationLover]

yup. and after a week or so of being gone, citationlover still hasn't answered the question of what the republic group is supposed to do about all this. what he has done is shown a complete lack of understanding concerning this whole mess. he has blaming others and pointing fingers down to a science though.

The republic pilots are enablers pure and simple. They ALLOW this to go on no differently than the New York Air pilots enabled.

All is well though, you scumbags will be flying an A318 now for $37/hr. One can only hope you get screwed in a seniority integration if there is one (I hope not).