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glasspilot said:
I got it! I know how to fix the whole thing!

REVERSE THE PAYSCALES!

That's right, as a new hire you get deep six figures but every single year you take a paycut. That way towards the end of your career your making $12,000 a year and eating Ramen Noodles in your apartment with 4 roomates. That would get the old guys out the damn door and make room for us "up and comings".

No thanks are necessary.

PS
I've long thought this should be done for flight attendants as well....I'm serious about that one

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That was incredible! Now pay me back my Social Security benefits and we'll all be happy!
 
clickclickboom said:
At Flops we had a guy that aside from a case of halitosis that could melt steel basically slept all day long.

We would land walk into the fbo I would go take a leak and walk into the crew lounge and he would already be asleep.

One day I wanted to keep track and he slept 4:55 throughout the day. We got done at 8PM and he entered his room at 9pm. We had a 12pM van and the company pushed up departure time so i called him at 11:20am and he was still sleeping from the night before. We take off and not even 20 mins into the flight he is fast asleep for over an hour on our repo leg. Heck at least he couldnt breathe on me while sleeping

I will pay $1000 to the flops guy that knows his initials.
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They're everywhere!! I have not flown at one employer in 25 years where we haven't had a grandpa that did the same thing. What I worry about is what happens when two of them are flying together at the same time!!!
 
av8trinabarrel said:
I see both sides of the arguement, but I just wanted to let people know that it's not always the young guy saving the old guy.!
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Wait... now hold on just a second.

You're saying that experience and well-honed intuition are valuable in the cockpit?

Now that's just crazy talk. ;)
 
"Resign. Or be prosecuted!"



Five points for the first correct movie answer.
 
av8trinabarrel said:
.... I had one of our really really old crusty captains save my a%$ a few weeks ago. I forgot to preselect my inbound course for a VOR approach going into New Orleans. With a low overcast sky, he noticed right away that something wasnt right.... No big deal in his eyes and we went on our merry way without having to hear the young punk jokes.

I see both sides of the arguement, but I just wanted to let people know that it's not always the young guy saving the old guy. When people lose sight of the fact that its a team and we are there to back each other up under any circumstances, then its time too hang it up...Age has nothing too do with it. It goes both ways!
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Excellent post and very classy to share a story that you could have kept to yourself, Av8tr.
 
Well since we are talking safety

Lets raise the minimums to lets say 7000 hours at the Fracs.

That way we will have more experienced pilots, right?

Therefore safer, right?

Doesn't sound so good when someone is trying to shove it up you butt huh?

Where exactly will you young geniuses be when youre 60?

Ya don't know do ya!

I really enjoyed the one I heard the other day about a young guy bitching about the old guys.

Turns out he's supposedly mid 30's and about 80 lbs overweight.

For such sharp young pilots you don't seem to really know $hit from shinola. You are gonna get old too you fools!!!!!

Your new wives are liable to get tired of your sanctamonius B.S. and dump you.....Whoops! What now??

All these rules you are implementing are gonna come back and bite you in the butt some day.

Man, I get spooled up over your ignorance.

Good luck to you all. I hope your epithany on this subject comes soon.
 
Semore Butts said:
Lets raise the minimums to lets say 7000 hours at the Fracs.

That way we will have more experienced pilots, right?

Therefore safer, right?

Doesn't sound so good when someone is trying to shove it up you butt huh?

Where exactly will you young geniuses be when youre 60?

Ya don't know do ya!

I really enjoyed the one I heard the other day about a young guy bitching about the old guys.

Turns out he's supposedly mid 30's and about 80 lbs overweight.

For such sharp young pilots you don't seem to really know $hit from shinola. You are gonna get old too you fools!!!!!

Your new wives are liable to get tired of your sanctamonius B.S. and dump you.....Whoops! What now??

All these rules you are implementing are gonna come back and bite you in the butt some day.

Man, I get spooled up over your ignorance.

Good luck to you all. I hope your epithany on this subject comes soon.
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I'd say that is the best advertisement for mandatory retirement I've ever seen. Can you imagine doing a tour with this guy?

Sorry about the marriage(s), we all have problems, it's just that your problems shouldn't be everyone else's problems. The "me-80s" is gone!!
 
Hawkered said:
I'd say that is the best advertisement for mandatory retirement I've ever seen. Can you imagine doing a tour with this guy?

Sorry about the marriage(s), we all have problems, it's just that your problems shouldn't be everyone else's problems. The "me-80s" is gone!!
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I'll bite....what are the "me-80s?"
 
Hawkered said:
I'd say that is the best advertisement for mandatory retirement I've ever seen. Can you imagine doing a tour with this guy?
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Yeah, I sure can. In fact, it'd be an absolute blast! I hope we'll get to share a front-end one of these days.
 
gunfyter said:
Those were the days I deployed 3 times with the Marines.

I guess it was all about me....
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I get it....the 80s were supposed to be the "me" generation? I would say that is a decade or two early.

Admit it.....you were in the office begging to be deployed everytime.
 
o2bflyn said:
I get it....the 80s were supposed to be the "me" generation? I would say that is a decade or two early.

Admit it.....you were in the office begging to be deployed everytime.
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Actually ... I did like deployments ... so I guess it really was about me....
 
As I see it, pilot ability is a combination of intelligence, hand-eye coordination, reflexes, and experience. If this is true, we need look no further than the professional athelete community wherein the same traits are required. Since coordination and reflexes start to deteriorate rapidly around age 30, we need to determine the age that experience no longer compensates for the deterioration. Looking around the major sports teams, it's apparent that very few athletes remain active past the age of 40. Since there's no age limits for professional athletes, their retirement age is likely the age at which their experience no longer compensates for their physical deterioration. Therefore, I believe we should use these self-evident facts to establish mandatory retirement regulations for pilots, who seem to hang on long after they are past their prime. In my view 40 would be the most obvious retirement age for most pilots, with limitations placed on those who don't maintain good physical standards. Yep, 40 should be the new 60!
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40 ... that's the retirement age for military pilots whose flying tactical aircraft most closely resembles Professional Athletics...

Flying a transport category airplane does not require those type of reflexes and athletic abilities. it requires caution more than aggressive behavior of athletes and tactical attack aircraft. Traits more closely Resembling Pilots over 40!

Maybe transport category flying should require a pilot to be at least 40.
 
Youve got it figured out "aye" Hawkered?

I'd say that is the best advertisement for mandatory retirement I've ever seen.

How so? I'm on meds for a disease I contracted while deployed. But I'll be done with treatment in July and you'll still be a bitter young man?

Whats your excuse?

So we are retiring the 52 years olds now?

Can you imagine doing a tour with this guy?

Several here have.

Yep 80's "me" person, thats it!

They sent "me" to Bosnia in 96, me to Iraq in 04, and me to Afghanistan in 06. (F-ck "me"! I need a break)

And you?

So, what do they call your generation if I might ask?

How exactly do you envision your generation?

I'm asking man? I don't know?

Sorry about the marriage(s), we all have problems, it's just that your problems shouldn't be everyone else's problems.

Oh thanks man, I do appreciate your condolence, I'm sure it's sincere.

I've been married 25 years. I wasn't referring to myself specifically. I was trying to explain to you that alot of life happens that you can't control.

I've got no "beef" with you man. I'm just trying to enlighten you regarding life.

I have been every age you have and apparently far beyond.

Just think how smart you think you are right now. Are you done? Is that it? You aren't gonna learn another thing the rest of your life? Your there!

How old are you man?

Because the things I have experienced since I was 39 were awesome (3 Combat tours if your not getting it).

I think I would probably get along just fine in a cockpit with you man. Couple of beers and we would probably be pals.

I'm assuming you already know all about Tactical approaches into Bagdad and such. Hell man, we are both pilots, I'm sure we can find something to chat about.

You like woman right? I do! (If not, It's OK, thats your business)

Take care, Semore
 
Semore Butts said:
I'd say that is the best advertisement for mandatory retirement I've ever seen.

How so? I'm on meds for a disease I contracted while deployed. But I'll be done with treatment in July and you'll still be a bitter young man?

Whats your excuse?

So we are retiring the 52 years olds now?

Can you imagine doing a tour with this guy?

Several here have.

Yep 80's "me" person, thats it!

They sent "me" to Bosnia in 96, me to Iraq in 04, and me to Afghanistan in 06. (F-ck "me"! I need a break)

And you?

So, what do they call your generation if I might ask?

How exactly do you envision your generation?

I'm asking man? I don't know?

Sorry about the marriage(s), we all have problems, it's just that your problems shouldn't be everyone else's problems.

Oh thanks man, I do appreciate your condolence, I'm sure it's sincere.

I've been married 25 years. I wasn't referring to myself specifically. I was trying to explain to you that alot of life happens that you can't control.

I've got no "beef" with you man. I'm just trying to enlighten you regarding life.

I have been every age you have and apparently far beyond.

Just think how smart you think you are right now. Are you done? Is that it? You aren't gonna learn another thing the rest of your life? Your there!

How old are you man?

Because the things I have experienced since I was 39 were awesome (3 Combat tours if your not getting it).

I think I would probably get along just fine in a cockpit with you man. Couple of beers and we would probably be pals.

I'm assuming you already know all about Tactical approaches into Bagdad and such. Hell man, we are both pilots, I'm sure we can find something to chat about.

You like woman right? I do! (If not, It's OK, thats your business)

Take care, Semore
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Semore, You are my new hero!!
 
Yeah, mine too!!

I just hope after all that you get to enjoy your retirement and not work yourself into the grave.

Yeah I'll buy you a beer, and then I'll share some stories too!

By the way, I'm not young!!
 
Wow! Are you an "inigma" or what?

Thanks Hawkered,

I really appreciate it. Especially since we may get paired when I get back (Hawker 800XP)

Not the response I was expecting.

Don't talk $hit though! Because I'm gonna find everyone of you guys that offered to buy me a beer when I get back!

Thank you as well corpflunkie.

Take care, Semore
 
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gunfyter said:
40 ... that's the retirement age for military pilots whose flying tactical aircraft most closely resembles Professional Athletics...

Flying a transport category airplane does not require those type of reflexes and athletic abilities. it requires caution more than aggressive behavior of athletes and tactical attack aircraft. Traits more closely Resembling Pilots over 40!

Maybe transport category flying should require a pilot to be at least 40.
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I'm not saying the over 40 crowd can't do the job. But, if we want the highest level of safety, why not retire everyone who's not at their peak pilot ability?

And, for NachoMamma's comment..."With all due respect, 'discrimination' isn't even remotely the issue here. The issue is safety...plain and simple. If this wasn't the case, then the FAA would not have imposed an age limit in the first place (no, it isn't political - that's just a conveniant excuse). Again, I'm not advocating that the age be 60, 65, 70, or any other number. That's for the data to justify (and yes there are many studies out there"

NachoMamma maybe should do a little historical research on the age 60 rule before posting such drivel. Hint: The original rule had zero to do with safety and everything to do with AAL's labor costs.
 
Yeah, but too many incidents like the other day with the King Air and the NPRM will come thick and fast down the pipeline. The issue will be driven by media and a general public that doesn't want an aircraft coming through their living room window, especially if they don't regularly fly in the first place and see it as unnecessary risk.

I have seen regular crew pairings in the past involving both crew members over 65.

NO AIRLINE IN THE WORLD ALLOWS THIS!!
 

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