Malaysian 777 enroute to Beijing missing!

[Bringupthebird]

There's an end to the magenta line???? Does scheduling know about this?

 

[densoo]

There's an end to the magenta line???? Does scheduling know about this?

Common misunderstanding between "discontinuity" and "disconnect." Magenta line is interrupted by a discontinuity, while my call to scheduling is interrupted with a disconnect. In both cases I have to go into the self-help mode.

 

[glasspilot1]

They had an emergency, set a course for the diversion field, were incapacitated enroute. Plane got to the end of the magenta line and it went out of LNAV into heading, got to the TOD and without resetting MCP altitude and it went out of VNAV into ALT HLD. Flew until fuel ran out. It wasn't the pilots' fault. My guess. Good as anyone else's.

That's a pretty good guess. Close to what I am thinking. And to anybody all upset about speculating, it's getting to the point if they don't find more than a few scraps floating, that there will have to be some guessing on what happened so we can TRY to learn something from all this. Remember, after a airframe loss like this the airline industry asks itself: "What can we do to not have this happen again?"

I think a lot of the company training centers will concentrate of cabin pressure loss procedures. Maybe more hijacking stuff. We gotta try to learn from this, even if we don't know a whole lot about the details.

 

[densoo]

Remember, after a airframe loss like this the airline industry asks itself: "What can we do to not have this happen again?"

They also ask, "where's the liability for this?" For this reason alone I think they will not stop looking for it. Boeing wants to prove it wasn't equipment, Malaysia wants to prove it wasn't their procedures, others want to prove it wasn't the pilots.

 

[SENECAII]

What about the ELT's?

 

[Mamma]

That's a pretty good guess. Close to what I am thinking. And to anybody all upset about speculating, it's getting to the point if they don't find more than a few scraps floating, that there will have to be some guessing on what happened so we can TRY to learn something from all this. Remember, after a airframe loss like this the airline industry asks itself: "What can we do to not have this happen again?"

I think a lot of the company training centers will concentrate of cabin pressure loss procedures. Maybe more hijacking stuff. We gotta try to learn from this, even if we don't know a whole lot about the details.

Slippery slope Glasspilot. I think we should try to learn from this after the facts are known. Running around applying solutions to "assumed" problems does not necessarily help. Lithium batteries? Hijack? Incapacitation? Pilot suicide? We just don't know but trying to put a fix on this situation without the facts could be pretty broad!

 

[waveflyer]

Just saw this on Facebook

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/malaysia-flight-victims-families-offered-5000-airlines-23047589

$5000 to each passenger???

And air France only offered $25k??

Whoa-

 

[scoreboardII]

ELT's only work if there's anything left of an ELT to work.

 

[fr8doggie]

ELT's only work if there's anything left of an ELT to work.

Can SWA planes activate the ELT inflight? All FDX aircraft are so equipped. I thought it was a regulatory requirement. How about other carriers?

Regards,
Fr8doggie

 

[redflyer65]

Some of the newer planes have a beacon that you can take with you. ETOPS planes maybe? It floats and you can turn it on manually or it turns on automatically when it his the water. The actual aircraft ELT can't be turned on that I know of.

 

[fr8doggie]

Some of the newer planes have a beacon that you can take with you. ETOPS planes maybe? It floats and you can turn it on manually or it turns on automatically when it his the water. The actual aircraft ELT can't be turned on that I know of.

I see. All FDX aircraft have a control panel on the overhead that lets us turn on the ELT that is hard mounted to the airplane. We also have portable ELTs in the rafts.

It's the first thing I would do if I was having an emergency and not in radar contact/VHF comm.

Regards,
Fr8doggie

 

[redflyer65]

Sorry I answered to quickly.....there is an ELT switch on the overhead panel. Shows how much attention I pay. Haha. Now where is that USA today?

The QRH does say ' if installed' though...

 

[scoreboardII]

SWA has the aircraft ELT armed via switch, activates at preset G loading, or you can manually turn it on, and two floaty ducky ELT's that are turned on manually and thrown into water.

 

[2000Easyguy]

Just saw this on Facebook

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/malaysia-flight-victims-families-offered-5000-airlines-23047589

$5000 to each passenger???

And air France only offered $25k??

Whoa-

Half-truth from MSM. Compensation has been established from the IATA.

http://www.icao.int/MID/Documents/2...SL Ratification of Montreal Convention En.pdf

 

[jetstream]

They know what happened to this aircraft. This is all a cover-up.

 

[Dan Roman]

They know what happened to this aircraft. This is all a cover-up.

Too funny, there are probably people out there that actually think this. I proudly say I hardly watch the news on this at all. I'm actually reading this string to catch up!

 

[Mr. Johnson]

Still waiting for KTVU to release the crew names...

 

[waveflyer]

Half-truth from MSM. Compensation has been established from the IATA.

http://www.icao.int/MID/Documents/2...SL Ratification of Montreal Convention En.pdf

Good stuff
I thought that's how it worked

So the down payment is $5k but eventually they'll all get $174k
Am I reading this correct?

 

[dollacrackho]

The simulator they're using on cnn is a replica of a 777 sim. Is that dude in the left seat even a pilot or just some dude who runs the sim for customers?

 

[EWR_FO]

The simulator they're using on cnn is a replica of a 777 sim. Is that dude in the left seat even a pilot or just some dude who runs the sim for customers?

Apparently it doesn't have an autopilot because he has been furiously hand flying it for a week now.

 

[Capn Butthead]

And being on CNN he took the chance to really dress up in his Canadian tuxedo! Hope that can be our uniforms soon

 

[Dumb Pilot]

The simulator they're using on cnn is a replica of a 777 sim. Is that dude in the left seat even a pilot or just some dude who runs the sim for customers?

He did pretty good landing the thing in a 4,000FT. runway......, if he isn't, he sure fooled me!

 

[2000Easyguy]

Good stuff
I thought that's how it worked

So the down payment is $5k but eventually they'll all get $174k
Am I reading this correct?

That's the way I read it as well. They'll be held liable for that amount per pax.
If/when they find the wreckage, we'll be certain to see a much larger figure.

 

[ALGFLYR]

What about the ELT's?

Well the scenario certainly seems plausible. If they made the turn and were then incapacitated and the aircraft flew until fuel exhaustion, assuming the 6 hour duration is correct before running out of fuel, that's roughly in the 3,000 mile range. And if the aircraft was in heading mode, that would mean the track over the ocean would vary with the changing winds.

So if the aircraft flew around 3,000 miles, that puts it somewhere in the middle of the ocean. If the plane went down intact, for the most part, and the ELT's went off, and the plane sunk to the bottom (How deep is it there?) Would the ELT's even be able to be picked up without being right on top of the wreckage? I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'm sure someone does...

I'm thinking an ELT going off a mile or two underwater may be hard to detect from anything other than a very close proximity to the plane...

And as far as the crew turning on the ELT inflight, if they were indeed fighting a scenario that quickly incapacitated them, I would think their primary concern would be to get the plane on the ground. I have to admit, if the cockpit was filling up with toxic fumes and burning, I would be focusing on the closest airport, turning on the ELT would probably never enter my mind. Surely they didn't think they were going to be lost, they were probably thinking "lets land, and we will know where we are..." Just my .02 cents...

 

[fr8doggie]

Turning on the ELT should be the first thing you do.

 

[OldManPilot]

When they made the turn there was an airport with a 13000 foot airport on an island near their flight path. Pulau Lingkawi airport. Look at it on Google earth. I think they were turning for this airport... We're overcome with either smoke or hypoxia.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Turning on the ELT should be the first thing you do.

Omg Captain, massive amounts of smoke and toxic fumes are present. F turning towards the closest airport to land, lets turn on the ELT!... Yeah, whatever...

 

[fr8doggie]

Omg Captain, massive amounts of smoke and toxic fumes are present. F turning towards the closest airport to land, lets turn on the ELT!... Yeah, whatever...

My apologies! I wasn't aware that the mystery was solved. Good to know that the plane will fly for 6-8hrs with an inflight fire on board. I'll have to inform our training department. They keep spouting this 12-17 minute nonsense.

Why the hostility to letting someone know you are in trouble? I want SAR scrambling NOW!

Regards,
Fr8doggie

 

[Flopgut]

For all we know, turning on the ELT was the first thing they did. No better than the locals apparently are at SAR, not sure it would have helped much.

They were darn sure on their own.

 

[SENECAII]

My apologies! I wasn't aware that the mystery was solved. Good to know that the plane will fly for 6-8hrs with an inflight fire on board. I'll have to inform our training department. They keep spouting this 12-17 minute nonsense.

Why the hostility to letting someone know you are in trouble? I want SAR scrambling NOW!

Regards,
Fr8doggie

The fact that the good night call didnt have any signs of stress in it whatsoever,and the turn was seconds, and possibly even during the turn to the west is concerning.