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cforst513 said:
some of you guys amaze me. how are you not able to live on $60-80K/year?! my mom and dad make a combined $70,000, and they just started earning that much recently. they have put me through a 4 year liberal arts college ($37,000/year), have put my brother through 2 years of massage therapy school, my sister through one year at Findlay, and my oldest brother through 3 or 4 years at Ohio State. Not only that, they have a mortgage (they just put in a hardwood oak floor... so nice!), pickup truck payments, and, when the van breaks, they have repair bills. there are probably a hundred other things that i'm not thinking of (cable tv and internet, 4 cell phones, etc). if we can make it with money to spare, how are you NOT able to make it?

do you have to drive a BMW? do you have to have a $2,000 surround sound stereo system? do you have to eat out all the time at nice restaurants? no, you don't have to but you want to. it takes a little self-control to live within your means. i have my own car, in my name, and i work hard for it. i balance a full-time schedule at school with a job to pay it off. b/c of my hard work, i also own 2 sea-doo waverunners with my brother. call it an impulse buy. if things get tight, i can sell them, no problem.

you have to be logical about your money. i'm only 21 and i know this. i have a Roth IRA that i started when i turned 18 and various other investments as my nest-egg savings. if my mom and dad can raise 4 children and put them through 13 years of private catholic school and then college, then i certainly think that you can start a family on $60-80K/year. if not, there's something wrong.



Oh, aint that special....

No, most of us dont "need" (or even want) a BMW or a surround sound home theatre....but hey, jacka$$ - wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy one if you did??? Do you and yours deserve a few nice things?

are you not worth it?

I know as an educated, experienced, hard working pilot Im worth a lot more than the 70K your moms and pops happily raised you on. (congrats on the nice wood floors...?)

But hey, be happy with it. What you do certainly isn't worth more than lower middle class huh?

Im sure we can find you a 28K RJ job out there easy enough.
 
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Still up to your a$$bag ways, huh G200? Nice to see you haven't changed much.

You are right, however.
 
Swass said:
You are right, however.



He got in it for the $$, and now he's bitter, disappointed, and abused.
 
qmaster3 said:
He got in it for the $$, and now he's bitter, disappointed, and abused.


No, I'm fairly sure that G 200 makes the money he says he does, he's probably not as big an a$$hole in person though as he is here.

If you came into this profession for money you truly are an imbecile, make your money elsewhere, preferrably by working for yourself. Nothing spoils a good weekday game of golf like your boss calling.
:rolleyes:
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
Oh, aint that special....

No, most of us dont "need" (or even want) a BMW or a surround sound home theatre....but hey, jacka$$ - wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy one if you did??? Do you and yours deserve a few nice things?

are you not worth it?

I know as an educated, experienced, hard working pilot Im worth a lot more than the 70K your moms and pops happily raised you on. (congrats on the nice wood floors...?)

But hey, be happy with it. What you do certainly isn't worth more than lower middle class huh?

Im sure we can find you a 28K RJ job out there easy enough.

That wasn't my post, but I'll respond. Let's keep it in context here... My parents do not make much money, and I worked my own way through college, paid my own insurance, rent, food, beer, and rode a cheap motorcycle to school and work when it wasn't snowing. I'm also paying the resulting student loans that weren't covered by my grants and scholarships. I didn't have any money then to spare for flying, which I've wanted to do since I can remember. I understand the value of a buck very, very well.

Anyway, the point is that $60k-80k isn't chump change. If you think so, you are unrealistic. The world isn't full of doctors, trial lawyers, and legacy airline captains. Most folks go into reputable careers making around 40-50k/yr and end up around $80k if they're doing real good. Most of the people I know that made some good money in this world (known as the real world) did it in real estate, not their day job.
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Oh, aint that special....

No, most of us dont "need" (or even want) a BMW or a surround sound home theatre....but hey, jacka$$ - wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy one if you did??? Do you and yours deserve a few nice things?

are you not worth it?

I know as an educated, experienced, hard working pilot Im worth a lot more than the 70K your moms and pops happily raised you on. (congrats on the nice wood floors...?)

But hey, be happy with it. What you do certainly isn't worth more than lower middle class huh?

Im sure we can find you a 28K RJ job out there easy enough.
first off, gulfstream200, i would like to commend you on your maturity. the name calling and bashing of my hardworking parents is a fitting touch. i'm gaining much insight into who you are as a person, as well as what your morals, values, and priorities are. all the money in the world obviously can't buy you any class...

i can think of a million things that my parents could have done with their money instead of feed me. i'm glad i got to eat and got an education, however, instead of them rollin' around in a couple of BMW's. you said, and I quote: "wouldn't it be nice to be able to buy one if you did??? Do you and yours deserve a few nice things? are you not worth it?" well, let's think about this. yes, of course i feel like i am worth it. but some of us have to live in the big picture. if i buy this stuff now, and continue to scrape by, how does this stuff improve my life? how cool is my $2,000 stereo if i don't have the cool plasma screen tv to go with it? well, let's drop another $4,500 to get the newest and best model. hmmm, well now that i have this awesome entertainment center, i have to go out and get some good/new furniture. oh, and i can't just have regular cable -- i need High Definition cable or satellite. as you can see, the trend continues. meanwhile, my kids are going hungry and shoveling coal in the factories to earn an extra $2.00 for the family, my wife has to prostitute herself out at night to make money, all the while i'm on my couch watching monday night football in HD-tv and surround sound. "come here, honey!! sounds just like you're on the field!!" but she's nowhere to be found. oh well. at least my entertainment system is cool.

obviously, that is an exaggeration. but why do that to yourself? why not live within your means, retire comfortably, and be able to support your kids if you need to? i'll give you another realistic example. if my parents lived under your hedonist/materialist lifestyle, when i call them up and say "i need to borrow a few hundred bucks", would they have it to give to me? probably not. "sorry son, that money is all tied up in the new yacht i bought." okaaaaaaaay, so that sucks for me. but in real life, my parents chose to live in their means, comfortably but responsibly, and it turns out if ever i need to borrow money, they have it. just because you have it now, gulfstream, why spend it? is it burning a hole in your pocket? is it like some disease or monster that's going to get you if you don't get rid of it ASAP? my parents and i, along with a lot of the members here, have what you lack - a little bit of self-control. now, if you define self-control as getting the 54" plasma TV instead of the 70" plasma tv, then you have issues.

would i be happy if my parents, not my mom and pop (show a little respect), made $150,000 a year? sure would. woulda made the hard times easier. but you learn from those hard times. i really hope that you're just being a jerk to play devil's advocate, gulfstream, and aren't really like this in real life. if so, i pity you and those who deal with you day to day.
 
cforst513 said:
. they have put me through a 4 year liberal arts college ($37,000/year)

$37,000/yr?? After that college expense, I hope it made you smart enough not to pursue an aviation career!!!
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Do you and yours deserve a few nice things? ...are you not worth it?

My worth is not defined by material posessions.

G2 said:
I know as an educated, experienced, hard working pilot Im worth a lot more than the 70K your moms and pops happily raised you on. (congrats on the nice wood floors...?)

My dad is a CPA. He holds a Masters degree in Accounting, and has been working in his profession over 25 years. He is harder working than anyone I know. He makes $70k. And I garauntee he'd be a lot harder to replace than you.

-Goose
 
Flic1 said:
$37,000/yr?? After that college expense, I hope it made you smart enough not to pursue an aviation career!!!
I am lucky in that most of my schooling is paid for through scholarships and grants. I think i owe $17,000 and my parents about half of that. nice thing is that the interest rate right now is super low, so monthly payments over the next decade won't be bad. if it gets to it's maximum cap of 8.25%, it's only $210/mo. i can handle that. well, maybe i'd have to sell my BMW, right gulfstream 200?
 
If you make 70K a year and you live paycheck to paycheck, then there is something wrong with your finances. I make under 27K a year and I have a wife and 2 children under 5 to care for and we make it. We're not living in the Hampton's but we get by.


Yes it would be nice to be able to buy a Bimmer and a Hummer if we wanted but is it needed? In what way will it make my life better? If the things you have sitting in your driveway and your house define you and what you live for, then I feel sorry for you and you are a very shallow person.

That being said has nothing to do with how I feel and approach the wages I would accept when I finally pick up a flying position other than instructing.
 
cforst513 said:
I think i owe $17,000... nice thing is that the interest rate right now is super low, so monthly payments over the next decade won't be bad. if it gets to it's maximum cap of 8.25%, it's only $210/mo. i can handle that. well, maybe i'd have to sell my BMW, right gulfstream 200?

I owe about that much too. I consolidated and locked in a ~3% interest rate. I'll pay about $120 per month until it is payed off... (Well, that's not exactly true. I got accepted into a Masters program, and so my loans will go into deferment for the next two years. But after that, it'll be ~$120/mo.)

...so I guess the BMW will have to wait. Bummer.

-Goose
 
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Le Pilote said:
Did not mean to start a fight. I'm just curious what is an acceptable wage where one could live very comfortably, and afford some of the "extras" we all enjoy. I agree that $30,000 a year is low, and $60,000 (or even $80,000) is not what I thought I'd be making. I still have aspirations for much higher. It just seems like the jobs that pay well are very few and far between anymore. Things aren't improving either.
I'd like to be making $60K-$80K doing what I do for a living.

People always want more money. No one's salary is ever enough. The important thing is being paid fairly for the job one does.
 
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Swass said:
No, I'm fairly sure that G 200 makes the money he says he does, he's probably not as big an a$$hole in person though as he is here.

If you came into this profession for money you truly are an imbecile, make your money elsewhere, preferrably by working for yourself. Nothing spoils a good weekday game of golf like your boss calling.
:rolleyes:


No, I am.

:) .



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Goose Egg said:
My worth is not defined by material posessions.



My guess is you dont have a choice.

:rolleyes: .

P.S. - Go get a job where they pay for your Masters, dumb$hit...
 
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You're right...He's stirring the pot...Anyone who chooses to diminish others in an open forum regarding pay or position have nothing else to talk about.. Perhaps his Mom didn't hold him as a child...Doesn't really matter... just sad... Ignore him.

If you have a direction/dreams, follow them..ignore all else...
 
Accourding to the Bureau of Labor Statistics the average annual wage in the U.S. is $36,764. Hell, lately as a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed CFI I wish I was making $10k a year! That would seem like a freakin fortune! As for 60-80k I can't even imagine what I would do with that money!
 

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