Makes me sick!

[MCDU]

The Nicolau award integrates the bottom AWA pilot hired on 4/4/05, senior to all US Airways pilots who were actively flying EMB Aircraft under the ALPA US Airways CBA. Arbitrator Nicolau’s opinion incorrectly states that the US Airways Merger Committee’s Certified list shows these pilots as furloughed. This placed the AWA pilot hired on 4/4/05 senior to the AAA pilot hired on 7/18/88, who and had never been furloughed.

 

[ferlo]

The Nicolau award integrates the bottom AWA pilot hired on 4/4/05, senior to all US Airways pilots who were actively flying EMB Aircraft under the ALPA US Airways CBA. Arbitrator Nicolau’s opinion incorrectly states that the US Airways Merger Committee’s Certified list shows these pilots as furloughed. This placed the AWA pilot hired on 4/4/05 senior to the AAA pilot hired on 7/18/88, who and had never been furloughed.

Welcome back to planet Earth!!!

(BTW it's called relative seniority...fair, no matter how you look at it)

 

[erjdude]

MCDU,

The AAA pilots that flew the EMB were furloughed! They were furloughed and then agreed to take a position at a SEPERATE company called midatlantic. This company was seperate in every manner except the operating certificate (which they were actively working to get). This process was delayed and as an intermediate solution midatlantic used the airways cert.

You know this and you know that is why NIC ruled the way he did for those and all furloughed mainline pilots.

If your MEC had just tried to neg. instead of insisting on DOH DOH DOH I know you and all AAA pilots would have gotten a better deal.

 

[nwaredtail]

I wonder if the AAA guys know just how little support they have industry wide. Everyone may be saying to their faces "yeah, I agree", "that sucks", but everyone who knows anything about this award knows they got what they deserved.

Let's call it payback for giving all your narrowbody flying away to save the pension. THATS WHY THEIR ARE ANY PILOTS AT MDA TO BEGIN WITH.

"We want date of hire"
-come up with something else
"no, DOH only and arbitration"
-binding 'arbitrator' -come up with something else
"no, DOH"
- Nicalau award.
"we don't like it, we're gonna quit ALPA"

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

 

[Fly4hire]

Redtail, you hit the nail on the head!!

Let's not forget that both sides agreed to binding arbitration.

It's not binding if you get to challenge the outcome you don't like. Worse yet if you are allowed to challenge the NIC award that you agreed to submit to you have totally s*****d every future merger integration in this industry to who ever has the best attorney's and wins the lawsuit prevails.

That will surely result in integration inequities far in excess of the NIC.

 

[The Victors]

Welcome back to planet Earth!!!

(BTW it's called relative seniority...fair, no matter how you look at it)

you guys are out of your mind if you think stapling 1700+ guys to the bottom of the list is fair.

 

[ironspud]

you guys are out of your mind if you think stapling 1700+ guys to the bottom of the list is fair.

You're out of your mind if you think 1700+ unemployed's should even be on a list, much less "above" anybody.

Noone out here in the "real" world supports the Easties as long as they stick with the DOH mantra.

 

[Andy]

You're out of your mind if you think 1700+ unemployed's should even be on a list, much less "above" anybody.

Noone out here in the "real" world supports the Easties as long as they stick with the DOH mantra.

WTF? Is the world about to end? I actually agree with ironspud.

 

[nwaredtail]

you mean the 1700 that were on the bottom of AAA's list, at a separate company (MDA) or furloughed? Yup out of our minds.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Simpsons did it...

 

[LearLove]

what if the award went like this:

all East guys with DOH prior to AWA start are on top. Then DOH for everyone from the start of AWA to the last East guy not furloughed (one above DC) Then integrate the rest based upon years of service. For example DC hired in 88 and furloughed in 2002 had 15 years acitive service and 18 years (1988 to 2005) before the merger. This is a diff of 3 years, so we lop off or add 3 years to his DOH so he is now integrated with an AWA hired in 1991. Do this until you get to the cel guys and then just tack them to the bottom as was done.

another example of the guy between the DOH crows and the CEL would be a guy like furloughedagain. His 99 DOH and 2002 furlough give about 4 years active service. Again taking into account the merger start in 2005 we lop off 3 year from his DOH and integrate him with the 2001 AWA guys.

how about it....

 

[DustyBottoms]

Simpsons did it...

HA hA, Nice one, General.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

General?

Please don't insult me. What I mean is, haven't we been through this enough already.

The list is the list and never the twain shall meet.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Are we back on this...yet, again?

 

[LearLove]

Are we back on this...yet, again?

its raining here on the east coast and my pool water just dropped 5 degrees.

 

[AA717driver]

Someone must have waterboarded the U MEC and made them agree to binding arbitration and demanding DOH.

Yeah, that's it. I knew there had to be a reason for this incongruity. TC

 

[DustyBottoms]

General?

Please don't insult me. What I mean is, haven't we been through this enough already.

The list is the list and never the twain shall meet.

Uh, I guess I misinterpreted you. I thought it was a reference to South Park…. General Disarray. Nevermind.

 

[abefly]

what if the award went like this:

all East guys with DOH prior to AWA start are on top. Then DOH for everyone from the start of AWA to the last East guy not furloughed (one above DC) Then integrate the rest based upon years of service. For example DC hired in 88 and furloughed in 2002 had 15 years acitive service and 18 years (1988 to 2005) before the merger. This is a diff of 3 years, so we lop off or add 3 years to his DOH so he is now integrated with an AWA hired in 1991. Do this until you get to the cel guys and then just tack them to the bottom as was done.

another example of the guy between the DOH crows and the CEL would be a guy like furloughedagain. His 99 DOH and 2002 furlough give about 4 years active service. Again taking into account the merger start in 2005 we lop off 3 year from his DOH and integrate him with the 2001 AWA guys.

how about it....

Smoke another one my friend!!!! The list is the list is the list...there is no judge that will overturn it....it will always be the list. even if easties de-certify alpa and it takes three years to merge. the list will still be the list. So why not get your nice big pay raise and we can all play nice.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Uh, I guess I misinterpreted you. I thought it was a reference to South Park…. General Disarray. Nevermind.

Ooops!

It is the South Park quote, but I am Grog, you called me General and I immediately thought General Lee since who on this board would ever get an obscure South Park reference like that.... Sorry, my bad.

Professor Chaos... OUT! (Butters Rocks!).

 

[Hpilot]

The Nicolau award integrates the bottom AWA pilot hired on 4/4/05, senior to all US Airways pilots who were actively flying EMB Aircraft under the ALPA US Airways CBA. Arbitrator Nicolau’s opinion incorrectly states that the US Airways Merger Committee’s Certified list shows these pilots as furloughed. This placed the AWA pilot hired on 4/4/05 senior to the AAA pilot hired on 7/18/88, who and had never been furloughed.

Hey that's alright. The fact that we aquired a liquadating company and their senior 500+ pilots went to the front of the line makes me sick too. .......moron.