Make The Call People

[Crizz]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. My call has been made supporting passage.

When you look at the data comparing part 135 pilots above and below 65, you will see that the accident rate is at its miniums around 63-64 with the 65 rate being below the 60 rate.

The studies that show higher rates among older pilots compare the rates of 121/135 pilots under 60 with the accident rates of 135 pilots over 60. You could get the same results comparing 55-60 year old pilots flying 121 being safer than 30 year old pilots flying part 135.

You are such a tool...



...and your breath smells like rotten liver and onions

 

[Spicepilots]

What percentage of pilots flying 135 fall into the 60-65 range? My bet is not many... And it would be ludicrious to assume that just because someone can pass a medical that they are fit to fly; I can't tell you how many people I know readily admit to getting a less than thourough exam. Age discrimination or not, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that somewhere has worked fine for the last few decades, until the current crop has decided that it's not fair that THEY have to retire when everyone else did. What a joke.

 

[bailout]

What percentage of pilots flying 135 fall into the 60-65 range? My bet is not many...

Uhm more than you think.. Where do you think retired 121 pilots go?

ever heard of NetJets and such?

 

[NoJoy]

The age 60 rule is not age discrimination. Period. It was put forth as a safety factor by the FAA for the 121 ops. All pilots flying now under 121 new when the retirement age was when they were hired, and now some want to support the change so that they can benifit. These will be the minority for the first five years if this change happens. If pilots want to fly with no age limits, there is P 135. Changing the rules for 121 flying does not make sence.

 

[Soverytired]

The age 60 rule is not age discrimination. Period. It was put forth as a safety factor by the FAA for the 121 ops. All pilots flying now under 121 new when the retirement age was when they were hired, and now some want to support the change so that they can benifit. These will be the minority for the first five years if this change happens. If pilots want to fly with no age limits, there is P 135. Changing the rules for 121 flying does not make sence.

Of course it's age discrimination! Under current rules, you are denied the ability to fly 121 on the utterly arbitrary criterion of being age 60.

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A better measure would be a routine series of tests to determine continued competency no matter what age.

Boy, I wish we had those.

Oh wait. We do. They're called medicals and proficiency checks. (and lucky for you, there is no spelling or grammar involved)

 

[NoJoy]

True. No grammer checks on PCs, most pilots would fail that. Anyway if this is age discrimination, why would so many pilots gladly fly under a set of rules that does so? Changing the age to "65" because of age discrimination is in itself discrimination. The minority of pilots who want this change should be screaming for no age limit. What gives?
ps sorry for any grammer errors-

 

[Soverytired]

I agree. No age limits, period, would be the consistent approach. Personally, that's what I'd like to see happen.

However, I would also agree to much steeper standards for physicals and a better flight proficiency check than the "canned" pc check where everyone knows exactly what is coming when.

This would absolutely cause a huge number of earlier-than-planned retirements. I suspect you'd start seeing pilots getting forced out around 50, and rapidly start climbing as age increases.

It would also pretty much eliminate most flight safety concerns related to age-of-pilot as well.


(And boy-howdy, I sure wish the state governments would start doing this to car drivers as they get older. Dream on though . . .old people VOTE!)

 

[PCL_128]

Uhm more than you think.. Where do you think retired 121 pilots go?

I would hope they would go to the beach to sip margaritas and watch girls 40 years younger than them play volleyball in their swimsuits, but I guess some of you are just losers that have no life and would rather be waking up at 4am to go fly some rich a$$hole around in a Citation.

 

[PCL_128]

Of course, they were totally ineffectual in stopping the change (or it sure looks like it).

Under Captain Woerth's leadership, this change was delayed for many years. The geezers with no lives have been trying to change this rule for a very long time, and ALPA has been extraordinarily successful in stopping them.