Major bait

[grounded92]

My hope for this thread is that it turns into a rough checklist for myself and others trying to get on with a major airline. We are at the beginning of what promises to be a huge hiring boom but how do we standout to hiring software programs and H.R. departments?

For example:

A four year degree is needed but does a masters make a difference?

What kind of flight time makes someone competitive?

Is 121 experience important? Or will 135 and 91k work just as well?

Is it like the corporate world where civic involvement matters?

If someone buys a 737 type on the off chance SWA calls do they hurt their chances with the other carriers?

Any information would help,

 

[Mamma]

My hope for this thread is that it turns into a rough checklist for myself and others trying to get on with a major airline. We are at the beginning of what promises to be a huge hiring boom but how do we standout to hiring software programs and H.R. departments?

For example:

A four year degree is needed but does a masters make a difference?

What kind of flight time makes someone competitive?

Is 121 experience important? Or will 135 and 91k work just as well?

Is it like the corporate world where civic involvement matters?

If someone buys a 737 type on the off chance SWA calls do they hurt their chances with the other carriers?

Any information would help,

You want to stand out? Change your name to Shaneequa Longfeather Rodriguez and get involved in as many LGTB community events as you can. Flying is no longer important. Just get the mins.

 

[boxjockey]

You want to stand out? Change your name to Shaneequa Longfeather Rodriguez and get involved in as many LGTB community events as you can. Flying is no longer important. Just get the mins.

Zzzziiingg!!!! You aren't from Duck Dynasty, are you?

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[doh]

You want to stand out? Change your name to Shaneequa Longfeather Rodriguez and get involved in as many LGTB community events as you can. Flying is no longer important. Just get the mins.

There just needs to be a love button for this!!

 

[B6Driver]

My hope for this thread is that it turns into a rough checklist for myself and others trying to get on with a major airline. We are at the beginning of what promises to be a huge hiring boom but how do we standout to hiring software programs and H.R. departments?

For example:

A four year degree is needed but does a masters make a difference?

What kind of flight time makes someone competitive?

Is 121 experience important? Or will 135 and 91k work just as well?

Is it like the corporate world where civic involvement matters?

If someone buys a 737 type on the off chance SWA calls do they hurt their chances with the other carriers?

Any information would help,

If that is you in the picture, brush your hair a bit and get a haircut if you can.

 

[Flyby1206]

My hope for this thread is that it turns into a rough checklist for myself and others trying to get on with a major airline. We are at the beginning of what promises to be a huge hiring boom but how do we standout to hiring software programs and H.R. departments?

For example:

A four year degree is needed but does a masters make a difference?

What kind of flight time makes someone competitive?

Is 121 experience important? Or will 135 and 91k work just as well?

Is it like the corporate world where civic involvement matters?

If someone buys a 737 type on the off chance SWA calls do they hurt their chances with the other carriers?

Any information would help,

Don't waste time on a masters degree. Get 1000hrs of Part 121 PIC Turbine, preferably in a glass cockpit t-jet, but 121 PIC turboprop works in a pinch.

Building houses with Habitat for Humanity won't get you hired at AA/DL/UA, but being golf/drinking buddies with the chief pilot at one of those places will do wonders for your resume.

Don't buy a 737 type unless you have already passed the interview with Southwest.

 

[FFFO]

You might not realize it, but that chip on your shoulder is OBVIOUS, whether you are crying about women, minorities, or type ratings. Just trying to help.

 

[ATRCAPT]

The faster the hiring, the fewer the necessary qualifications. When times are tough airlines use things like the 4 year degree, etc. as a tool to weed folks out. When hiring is hot and heavy the 4 year degree carries less weight. Still, I would try to be in a position to check as many boxes as you can. College, PIC, jet time, 121, check airman. Sadly, I also have to agree with poster Mamma above. Being a female or a minority sends you right to the head of the line no matter your experience level.

 

[doh]

FFFO, your post makes no sense. Flyby 1206 has a chip on his shoulder? Wtf are you talking about.

 

[weasel_lips]

FFFO is the one with the chip.

 

[Flyby1206]

You might not realize it, but that chip on your shoulder is OBVIOUS, whether you are crying about women, minorities, or type ratings. Just trying to help.

Umm....WTF?

 

[Boxboy]

You want to stand out? Change your name to Shaneequa Longfeather Rodriguez and get involved in as many LGTB community events as you can. Flying is no longer important. Just get the mins.

Sad but true. Seriously though.... apparently, someone needs a hug!:laugh:

 

[freightdogfred]

My hope for this thread is that it turns into a rough checklist for myself and others trying to get on with a major airline. We are at the beginning of what promises to be a huge hiring boom but how do we standout to hiring software programs and H.R. departments?

For example:

A four year degree is needed but does a masters make a difference?

What kind of flight time makes someone competitive?

Is 121 experience important? Or will 135 and 91k work just as well?

Is it like the corporate world where civic involvement matters?

If someone buys a 737 type on the off chance SWA calls do they hurt their chances with the other carriers?

Any information would help,

Pick up a copy of the ALPA magazine and grow a moustache just like the guys in Hearndon. If you cannot grow a moustache like that, go out and buy one

 

[Remington]

Phil doesn't like certain people. Who cares. It's our right and liberty not to like someone.

 

[Mamma]

Sad but true. Seriously though.... apparently, someone needs a hug!:laugh:

Hugs? Is there an LGTB event for me to attend!?!? All kidding aside, HR has taken a more active role in the hiring of pilots at many companies (vs chief pilots) and they have different criteria. Just being a pilot with a great record is not going to cut the mustard for a few years.

 

[waveflyer]

Good lord-

Yeah, social politics aside- that's not a good assessment in te beginning of what ought to be a long hiring wave.

You guys don't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder- you just sound entitled with a penchant for excuses. 82% of all airline pilots are white males.

And somehow it's girls, gays, and minorities fault if you don't get a job as quick as you'd like??

Please. The world belongs to you.

For the op- there are basics- 121 turbine pic- jet is better, check airman and special projects best. But every airline has subtle differences. Research that and DO NOT TRUST THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION WITH THE CURRENT HIRING DEPARTMENT.
As much as you may love throwing down a beer with your mentors, chances are rye know just enough to sound confident. And lead you into a making a mistake that could derail you. You might not like them- get to a job fair and hear it straight from the recruiters mouths.

Then network. Have humble business cards on you all the time and quick access to your resume.
And then network some more.

Rules: be a pro first- none of this career student stuff means anything if you're a pain in the ass to fly with, incompetent, or don't have the respect of your peers. Work work and be cool and genuinely humble so that when your number is called people are lining up to recommend you deal direct with the decision makers at least once and as much as possible. Build genuine relationships with pilots who are where you want to be.

 

[doh]

I'd hit the love button for this too.

 

[Mamma]

Good lord-

You guys don't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder- you just sound entitled with a penchant for excuses. 82% of all airline pilots are white males.

And somehow it's girls, gays, and minorities fault if you don't get a job as quick as you'd like??

Please. The world belongs to you.

Lighten up Francis. You assume too much, have no sense of humor and must be a bore to fly with. There. How do you like my assuming? Now pull that iron rod out of your butt (no gay implications) and write something interesting.

 

[filejw]

Lighten up Francis. You assume too much, have no sense of humor and must be a bore to fly with. There. How do you like my assuming? Now pull that iron rod out of your butt (no gay implications) and write something interesting.

Hey he's just trying to be helpful because some of you guys do come across as "pain in the ass to fly with". The attitudes you write here will come out in an interview no matter how hard you try to hide it.

 

[Mamma]

Hey he's just trying to be helpful because some of you guys do come across as "pain in the ass to fly with". The attitudes you write here will come out in an interview no matter how hard you try to hide it.

What on earth are you talking about? I already have a job. Two jobs to be exact.

 

[flyboyike]

Good lord-

Yeah, social politics aside- that's not a good assessment in te beginning of what ought to be a long hiring wave.

You guys don't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder- you just sound entitled with a penchant for excuses. 82% of all airline pilots are white males.

And somehow it's girls, gays, and minorities fault if you don't get a job as quick as you'd like??

Please. The world belongs to you.

I agree, I never thought female aviators as a group were much of a threat to my job prospects. Of course, it helps that my last name is weird enough where some people might think I'm a minority, and I'll be good to go.:laugh:

 

[slick1]

"82% of all airline pilots are white males."

Excluding Latino (and to a lesser degree Asian) men,......could it be that 99.9% of women and minorities don't want to do what it takes to become a professional pilot?????

 

[waveflyer]

Go to a Tuskegee airman conference and tell them that. They're getting old and less number every year, so hurry. They'd like to hear your story for sure.

 

[flythere]

"82% of all airline pilots are white males."

Excluding Latino (and to a lesser degree Asian) men,......could it be that 99.9% of women and minorities don't want to do what it takes to become a professional pilot?????

Is that flame or what?!?!

So, 99.9% of white folks have what it takes???

Maybe HR at the airlines are trying to right the perceived hiring problem with most airlines! If you look back to the 60's and 70's when the big airlines were doing lots of hiring, who did they hire? For the most part, military guys with lots of experience and hours. As most of the kids of those vets came of age, 80's and early 90's, that's who the airlines hired, the kids of some of their senior captains!

Most of those kids and their fathers were white males.

Now think about where most kids of color where back during the 60's and 70's? For whatever reason, those kids were not going to school taking flying lessons or whatever it took to get to the next level! So you're right in saying they weren't qualified. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and say those inner-city kids should not shoulder all the blame for that, you could say they were a product of their environment.

The next time you walk thru an airport terminal, look around at how many pilots of color there are, back, Hispanic heck let?s even lump in the American Asian pilots (I don?t mean Asian pilots working at American Airlines). Compare that number to all the white male pilots you see strolling thru that same terminal! Huge difference huh??

Pretty sad, considering the segment of the population that these groups represent!! Now let?s factor in the liberal folks in Human Resources, typically the people working in HR are there because they can?t work in line positions around the company, they seem to always want to make things right, (as seen thru their view). Those people see this inequity as a major problem and want to do whatever it takes to fix it.

So, at a lot of companies you see HR having more say over pilot hiring than the Flight Ops side of the house. Those pesky HR types have convinced management that those pilots aren?t hiring fairly and they (HR) should have the final say. And to prove their point, the HR types pull out the hiring numbers for the last 10 years and prove their point. The number of white pilots hired compared to those of a different ethnic background are staggering, especially during the 80?s and 90?s. So the powers to be, not wanting to be perceived as racist, go along with HR and allow them to pull all the strings, HR attorneys are way smarter than pilots!

That seems to be the way things are going these days, the attorneys are driving the way things are being done!! So how does an inner-city minority kid get a chance at being an airline pilot if he/she doesn?t know anybody that?s a pilot? Their father, uncle or next door neighbor wasn?t a pilot?? Well, that?s where the community outreach comes in, a lot of airlines, thru their HR departments are supporting/sponsoring aviation camps for those kids, giving them a chance to explore aviation and maybe spark an interest.

Groups like OBAP and WIA also are big sponsors of these camps and programs, with the hope of giving those inner city kids a chance. OBAP and WIA job fairs, those are a chance for minorities and women to meet and network with the airlines and HR, remember most of us didn?t have a relative or neighbor that worked for the airline. Heck, my first break for a regional job came from an OBAP contact, I didn?t know anybody in the industry. The job fairs are a way to draw in those under-represented groups and get a look at them!

As a pilot, I would rather have the Flight Ops side of the house making the hiring decisions for pilots, but I understand why HR has stepped in and forced some of the changes, I know at my airline, the Flight Ops side is slowly getting some of the power back, I hope they will continue to actively recruit females and minorities.

This job is not rocket science, I would rather fly with someone who is easy to get a long with, rather than the know-it-all genius that will drive you crazy for 4 days!

 

[livin'thesim]

I see the PC nannies have swarmed in to squawk and squeal at the purveyors of humorous thoughtcrimes.

Nothing is more saddening to me than to see full grown men stand in the feminist pulpit and deliver their tedious lectures for them.

 

[waveflyer]

Yeah, because you're a big strong man, right livin?

You can't tie my laces little boy-
It's called integrity and men have it

 

[flythere]

I see the PC nannies have swarmed in to squawk and squeal at the purveyors of humorous thoughtcrimes.

Nothing is more saddening to me than to see full grown men stand in the feminist pulpit and deliver their tedious lectures for them.

Sorry you don't get it! Was not a squawk or rant, just a different perspective you may not have considered and clearly don't understand!!

 

[crxpilot]

Blacks comprise of 13% of the population, therefore a 13% pilot group makeup is sufficient. Anything more could be construed as reverse discrimination. Asians btw, are at about 5% according to census info.

 

[waveflyer]

Is 13% of your pilot group black?

That's more than 1 in 10. Mine's not.

Is 51% of your pilot group female then?

 

[mightyM]

Disregard didn't mean to post here. Carry on with your bantering.