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I'm sure they have no idea why loads slipped while adding double digit percentage increases in capacity. Are you serious?
 
Yea, lets just park some airplanes so our load factor can go up and Lowecur can get some sleep at night. Load Factor???, oh it's a load alright.

Southwest Airlines Co. on Friday said its passenger load factor slipped to 72.4 percent in May from 73.9 percent in the same month last year. 1.5%?? How were the yeilds?
 
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flynlow said:
I'm sure they have no idea why loads slipped while adding double digit percentage increases in capacity. Are you serious?

Trends are important. The Legacy's that have reported have not increased ASM's at all but have increased their LF's about 5 pts. The two LCC's that have reported have increased their LF's and increased ASM's by 5% and 34% (AWA & AAI) compared to LUV's 12%. I anticipate JBLU picking up a couple of pts on LF's with a large ASM increase. To LUV's credit they will continue to maintain pricing power on some routes which should tranfer into decent profits in the next few quarters. They have made some headway with the WA, but it remains to be seen if that will ever come to fruition.

Most of the legacy airlines should do quite well in the next few quarters as evidenced by rather large gains in their stock prices the last 30 days. Wall St is beginning to see value in many of the Legacy's share prices that have been pounded down in the last few years as their expenses have been trimmed down to fighting weight.
 
I don't follow how the legacies will "do well" the next couple of quarters with what is going on. What I read says the legacy recovery will likely be in 2006. Another BK or two will drag everyone into poor performance and make the legacies look relatively better. Maybe that explains the stock moves. But the revenue trends still look ugly.

monthly traffic at SWA grew 500 million seat miles.
monthly traffic at Airtran grew 271 million seat miles.
monthly traffic at AWA grew 246 million seat miles.

Who added more seats? From a stock picking perspective the percentages favor the smaller companies. But SWA is still outpacing the above.


Yes trends are important. Which one of the above has the capacity to soak up a decrease in capacity by USAir and UAL? Previous trends have shown that the carrier with the frequency and seats available will.

From a stock picking perspective the percentages matter. From a real perspective SWA is still growing more.

IMHO, Southwest will continue to take advantage of fuel hedges in place until the start of 2006. If I'm not mistaken the low load factor strategy has worked for years with recent success in 2003 and 2004. With fewer hedges at a higher price in 2006, they will focus more on load factor and less on capacity increases ahead of passenger growth. JetBlue and Airtran will breath a sigh of relief when SWA eases up.

BTW, Jetblue has started to suffer under the back end loaded leases on the Arbi. JetBlue now has 1.9B in debt. Almost as much as SWA's 2.0B.

Could Airtran start beating up on JetBlue in 2006?
 
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FlyBoeingJets said:
I don't follow how the legacies will "do well" the next couple of quarters with what is going on. Just look at the stock prices of AMR and CAL. Wall St is looking for them to possibly make money in the 2nd and 3rd Q because of recent fare hikes. NWA is a fence sitter at this point until labor is settled. UAL will need a further reduction in domestic capacity to get their $2.5B loan. RJ's are replacing mainline at DIA with ASMs decreasing 24% by year end, as F9 continues to grab marketshare. What I read says the legacy recovery will likely be in 2006. Another BK or two will drag everyone into poor performance and make the legacies look relatively better. DL and NWA may have to go that route to get the necessary expense reductions, but they can hang on for quite a few years in bk. DL will be forced to reduce their size unless they can come up with investors (I have my doubts). I think it will be five years or so until one of the originals rolls over. Maybe that explains the stock moves. But the revenue trends still look ugly.

monthly traffic at SWA grew 500 million seat miles.
monthly traffic at Airtran grew 271 million seat miles.
monthly traffic at AWA grew 246 million seat miles.
AAI/AWA are SWA's biggest LCC competitors. Add the two together, and it looks like SWA is the big loser head to head on putting butts in the seat.

Who added more seats? From a stock picking perspective the percentages favor the smaller companies. But SWA is still outpacing the above.


Yes trends are important. Which one of the above has the capacity to soak up a decrease in capacity by USAir and UAL? Previous trends have shown that the carrier with the frequency and seats available will.

From a stock picking perspective the percentages matter. From a real perspective SWA is still growing more. They may be growing more but the growth is not bearing fruit so far.

IMHO, Southwest will continue to take advantage of fuel hedges in place until the start of 2006. If I'm not mistaken the low load factor strategy has worked for years with recent success in 2003 and 2004. With fewer hedges at a higher price in 2006, they will focus more on load factor and less on capacity increases ahead of passenger growth. JetBlue and Airtran will breath a sigh of relief when SWA eases up.

BTW, Jetblue has started to suffer under the back end loaded leases on the Arbi. JetBlue now has 1.9B in debt. Almost as much as SWA's 2.0B.

Could Airtran start beating up on JetBlue in 2006?:D:D:D
Just watch what happens to AAI LF's in BUF/ROC once the 190s arrive.
 
lowecur said:
Just watch what happens to AAI LF's in BUF/ROC once the 190s arrive.

AND watch what happens to CASM when they arrive!
 
apdsm said:
AND watch what happens to CASM when they arrive!
I'm going to have to give you a lesson in CASM/RASM there Jack. Yes the CASM will rise slightly as more and more 190s come on line, but be aware that the 190 should average out to around 7.5 cents. Their real advantage will be the reduction of Jetblue's average stage length from around 1100 miles to 900 miles in the next 4 or 5 years. The shorter routes are RASM friendly, and will kick the margins back up to double digits.;)
 

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