low time female pilot

[saviboy]

hi
a friend of mine has about 450 tt , 10 multi and she looks good.
I am telling her that she should already look for a job but she says that there is no way she can find a job flying a jet with her kind of time.
any opinions?

 

[WIPilot]

tell her to buy some kneepads and she'll get the job

 

[Bryan D]

tell her to buy some kneepads and she'll get the job

Nonsense, she can get a job without kneepads.

 

[hammer2]

tell her to work her way up the ladder like most pilots. saviboy looks like your trying to get into her pants by being helpful.

 

[FrozenPilot]

Good question. Does being a female or other minority actually help you get a job in the airlines? I've heard differing opinions. Whats yours?

 

[viper548]

Tell her to try United

 

[dojetdriver]

I think FedEx might have a program for women too.

 

[Flying Illini]

Good question. Does being a female or other minority actually help you get a job in the airlines? I've heard differing opinions. Whats yours?

Maybe not the airlines, but definitely with corporate departments. Of course they have to meet some bare minimum requirements but those are lower than the men (if the dept. needs to hire a woman). Some corporations will specifically search for a woman or minority, and if you aren't one of those, then no amount of time or experience will get you hired. Period. It sucks but that's the way it is.

 

[avbug]

At 450 hours, how did "jet job" find it's way into either of your vocabularies? How about "any job" you can get, instead. At 450 hours either one of you is concerned that she might or might not have enough experience to land a "jet job?" How about flight instructing, banner towing, flying freight, doing aerial photography, getting a little more time and flying a 207 in the Grand Canyon, or anything else that any other pilot does?

Pay the dues, get the experience in order to have a leg to stand on, and earn the right to compete with the rest of the work force for that "jet job." Or any other job.

I don't care what she looks like. How does she fly, what's her experience and qualifications, and can she function as a team player for the company? Crikey. What are you planning on having her do...submit a photograph with each resume?

 

[check6]

Am I correct in saying that airlines have to maintain a certain percentage of female pilots? I've heard this somewhere before, which is why females generally get hired before anyone else. I, myself, find it hard to believe now.

 

[Fly_Chick]

Saviboy, please do not give any one a reason to wonder why a woman might have a particular flying job other than the fact that her skill, experience, qualifications, team player ability, (thanks avbug) decision making ability, responsibility, education, perserverence and outlook merited her that job!

 

[Pedro]

Maybe because she's adorable?

 

[Metro752]

C8 Woulda Hired her

 

[pilotmiketx]

She's almost qualified to clean our plane.

As an aside, I once saw a job posting for a "Female Lear co-pilot". I was so f-ing pissed I sent a letter to the EEOC. An EEOC attorney actually called me back and said they'd pursue criminal charges.

 

[English]

I am telling her that she should already look for a job but she says that there is no way she can find a job flying a jet with her kind of time.
any opinions?

Sounds like your friend has her head on straight, and yours...well, we know where yours is.

 

[CFIcare]

Recently someone commented to me that company XYZ was "looking to hire a female pilot"....to which I winced and made a mental note to not consider them in the future. I'd never knowingly take a job because I was the quota-filler.

It took me 3 years as a CFI, 2500 hours, an ATP and 500 ME to get a decent jet gig. People chided me along the way about how it should be easier because of my gender. BS. I'm glad no one gave me any unfair advantage. I can look back an say I paid dues and earned the job based on qualifications and attitude, not politics and aesthetics.

There is a maturing process in aviation, and the things that were all consuming at 450 TT are a yawn at 2000. Occasionally, individuals can juggle more pins earlier and they deserve to get the job based on ability.

Tell your friend to get her CFI/CFII/MEI, tow banners, do surveys, fly traffic, to aerial photography etc while building multi time. Expecting to get anywhere based on her perceived "cuteness" is really an insult to your friend's abilities and personality.

Regardless of gender, everyone works hard climbing the ladder. When people feel they are entitled to skip a few steps, well it sorta pisses off everyone else.

It's like when you are in gridlock traffic and the right land merges...and some joker in a Ferrari zooms down the right lane with his turn signal on, hoping to cut in the front and bypass all the suckers for miles behind. Some doofus impressed with the car always lets them in and the way you feel.....is the way pilots feel when they hear someone (male, female, minority) was given an undeserving break to fill a quota, or based on something other than professional ability.

 

[Rogue5]

This whole thread is flame-bait (and a weak one at that).

I can't believe any of you guys or girls are biting off on it...

Oh, and BTW: the 90's called and said they wanted their "I'm being repressed because I'm a white guy" routine back.

(I've always wanted to do that)

 

[El Guapo]

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CFIcare must not look like that shinny Ferrarri that gets in anywhere, but instead like an old beat up Datsun 310 with rusty paint and bald tires; cause no one ever gave her that "big break."

male or female, it all boils down to who you know. Good looking girl or ugly guy, it doesn't matter. If you know someone in a higher position they can get you in anywhere no matter what your background.

 

[CFIcare]

Guapo, you tease

El Guapo writes: "CFIcare must not look like that shinny Ferrarri that gets in anywhere, but instead like an old beat up Datsun 310 with rusty paint and bald tires; cause no one ever gave her that "big break."

HA! pretty funny there Guapo. Actually, I did get my big break.

As for the other comments, I'd like to think I'm on the blessed side of average. Proof? April 2002 issue, Makes and Models. Page 54.

RPM Registry, June/July 2004, page 64-67.

Sorry, no Datsuns here. Check the avatar. It's "DMC driver"...

 

[Pedro]

El Guapo writes: "CFIcare must not look like that shinny Ferrarri that gets in anywhere, but instead like an old beat up Datsun 310 with rusty paint and bald tires; cause no one ever gave her that "big break."

HA! pretty funny there Guapo. Actually, I did get my big break.

As for the other comments, I'd like to think I'm on the blessed side of average. Proof? April 2002 issue, Makes and Models. Page 54.

RPM Registry, June/July 2004, page 64-67.

Sorry, no Datsuns here. Check the avatar. It's "DMC driver"...

Got a link for that? Some members think youare bluffing

 

[CFIcare]

RPM Registry isn't around anymore, but Makes and Models is sold everywhere. I'm sure there are archives on the site.

Go to http://makesandmodels.com/backissues2.php

and it's the one with the yellow GT40.

There's another project I'm working on for a March issue of a club magazine. Do you want to pre-order?

 

[Pedro]

RPM Registry isn't around anymore, but Makes and Models is sold everywhere. I'm sure there are archives on the site.

Go to http://makesandmodels.com/backissues2.php

and it's the one with the yellow GT40.

There's another project I'm working on for a March issue of a club magazine. Do you want to pre-order?

First I want a private sample, then we can talk about buying magazines

 

[Pedro]

RPM Registry isn't around anymore, but Makes and Models is sold everywhere. I'm sure there are archives on the site.

Go to http://makesandmodels.com/backissues2.php

and it's the one with the yellow GT40.

There's another project I'm working on for a March issue of a club magazine. Do you want to pre-order?

Are you Sherell, Tina, or Brooke?

 

[CFIcare]

First I want a private sample, then we can talk about buying magazines

Sure. You bring the wine glasses.

 

[Pedro]

Sure. You bring the wine glasses.

Haha, you bet I will!! What do you drink?

 

[CFIcare]

Actually, given the amount of flying I do, I don't drink very often.

Present drink of choice: Code Red Mountain Dew. It's the nectar of the gods.

 

[El Guapo]

My apologies

Well If one of those gals is you CFIcare, how 'bout I come by in my Datsun 310 as describe above and go out for a bite tonight???

 

[Pedro]

Present drink of choice: Code Red Mountain Dew. It's the nectar of the gods.

Who sold you that idea? Speaking of that, i have something youwill be interested in, it only requires a small investment......

 

[CFIcare]

Well If one of those gals is you CFIcare, how 'bout I come by in my Datsun 310 as describe above and go out for a bite tonight???

El Guapo...was that you in the Datsun 310 with your blinker on for 45 minutes and no one would let you in?

Seriously, do you really have a Datsun 310? Not because they are inherently sexy, but have you ever thought about doing autocross with one? I saw a Datsun do rather well at a rally in Santa Fe. He actually gave an RX-7 and an NSX a run for their money.

 

[El Guapo]

ALRIGHT! I admit it, that was me with in the Datsun 310 with the blinker going for an hour and no one ever let me in.

Actually, I drove that car when i was going through college back in 1991. It was pretty embarassing to drive that piece of sh!t around campus, so I elected to ride around with friends in their cars.

I sold it a few years later for $500. It was a tough little car.

So how 'bout I pick you up anyway and we'll talk about it over dinner??