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UnstableAviator said:
I don't agree with P-F-T at all, but...


I do find it ironic when I'm at an airshow and the announcer says about the F-16 demo pilot "Captain Joe Somebody has over 800 hours flight time!"

Meanwhile, in the civilian sector (with training probably 10% as good as military) I'd be lucky to get insured to fly a Bonanza with 1000 hours total and 200 in type. :rolleyes:

Keep in mind that a GOOD year in a fighter gets you about 250 hours.....

It doesn't add up too quickly.
 
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leardrivr said:
Well RJP I stand corrected. You are right a quality sic is a pro pilot waiting for upgrade I just get so pished at these newbe PFT'S. I need a beer to calm down.

I don't blame ya. I'd buy you a shot of Jack though.
 
The guy is obviously recruiting for C.A.T., if you don't reply maybe he'll quit posting his pay for training crap.
 
Oh and JACKFLYS2, I hope you come to realize before it is too late. If you sing on at this training center with your 300 hours. You may get your B727 training and experience. Butt some day down the road you may come to realize you were also professionaly molested. All these places do is take advantage of new pilots dreams by offering a short cut to experience. It is smoke screen don't let them steal your money. No professional pilot should ever have to pay to fly. Down with PFT!

Viva la resistance!
 
After the internship? most continue to fly.

One "intern" is now Captain.

Thats real experience that can't be taken away!

I am not trying to debate the merits of internships or make anyone upset, just trying to hear from people who have experience with this and other programs.

www.simcenter-carolina.com seems to be the best I have found.
 
Hey Jacksfly,

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're really interested in an answer, and not just trolling for flame-bait. So, with no profanity, hyperbole, and only a little bit of sarcasm, I'll attempt to give you an honest, non-emotional answer.

Not worth anything. I know stuff like this sounds tempting. We've all been sitting there with wet ink on our commercial tickets, wondering how on earth we're ever going to get any flight time built up. To an outsider, Boeing time certainly seems much more valuable than light twin time. You have to ask yourself though, where do you want to go with your career? If you give those hooligans your hard-earned cash, you're going to have 660 hours. What jobs will you be competing for with 660 hours? Regional Airline pilot? No. Major Airline pilot? No. Freight Dog in a light twin? No. Indentured, institutional FO for a scumbag freight 727 operator with no hope for ever upgrading, making any money, having a life, or ever being competitive for what few "good" jobs there are out there? Quite possibly.

400 hours in the right seat of a transport category jet, will do very little to develop the skills of a 263 hour pilot. After 400 hours, you'll barely be keeping pace with the rest of the crew. (Going through the motions, NOT situationally aware.) You'll be able to wrestle the AC around on a nice VFR day, mostly using the autopilot as a crutch.

There a very few shortcuts, and this is not one of them. What you should do is build your time and work your way into the right seat of an RJ. Or build your time and weasel your way into a charter outfit as an FO flying Lears or Westwinds, or whatever. When I say build your time, I'm talking about the good old-fashioned way of working hard and getting paid to be the PIC. (Instruction, pipeline, traffic watch.)

I sat in the left seat of 5 different models of Learjets for four and half years. I had the pleasure of taking a lot of great folks for their first flight in a jet after training. Given the choice between a 1500 hour freight dog, who's been slogging it out in the crap with no radar, by themselves, making all the descisions, and some PFT person who has 3000 hours of being a bird strike protection for the Flight Engineer, I'm picking the first one. And I'm not alone.

Please don't make the wrong choice. Drop me a PM, I've got lots of other ways you can get started in this industry without screwing up your professional development.

Look at it this way, are you really going to give your money to a bunch of loosers who have the website of some 11 year-old stamp collecter? (Not even that nice!)

Try it this way dude, post what these losers have told you here, and I can guarantee we'll expose them for the scumbags they are.

DO YOUR RESEARCH! WE CAN HELP!
 
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I almost forgot, You put a resume in front of any Chief Pilot in the industry that says 660 total, 400 727 SIC, You are going to set of every warning bell there is. They will show it to their friends for a laugh, but the only folks that are going to be interested are probably people you DO NOT want to work for.

Anybody else want to help this guy out with the truth?
 
D_G said:
The guy is obviously recruiting for C.A.T., if you don't reply maybe he'll quit posting his pay for training crap.
BINGO, we got a winner

What is even more comical is the amount of replies this guy has generated. He is obviously flaming ya'll to hell and back.

3 5 0

ps> comparing a Seneca to a B727? You surely have got to be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing kidding me. I don't even think that deserves a response.
 
Look at it this way, are you really going to give your money to a bunch of loosers who have the website of some 11 year-old stamp collecter? (Not even that nice!)

Try it this way dude, post what these losers have told you here, and I can guarantee we'll expose them for the scumbags they are.
My friends like working there now as much or more than when they were interns.

I like the fact that this program is not full of slick sales brochures and sales pep talks. They emphasis that the program is difficult and in no way a gimme. There is no selling just an explanation and references from past interns and present full time pilots.

I am leaning towards doing this and LJDRVR's arguments are swaying me little.
 
Moderators:

PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD!

This is enough fun for me, boys and girls. Consider me unsubscribed to this (now) obvious sales pitch.
 
Ok, please tell me there's more to this program than what their website says. I took a look at it, and there's no way I would even look at a program that had such little information on their website. What are they hiding?
 
My buddies who are flying there gave me the number. I don't have it with me now. You can email them for more info.

This is enough fun for me, boys and girls. Consider me unsubscribed to this (now) obvious sales pitch.
I am not trying to sell this thing!

I posted to shoot holes in this program.

All I have gotten is the usual dribble about pay for training being the worst thing that ever happened to aviation.

Anyone know anyone who is not satisfied with their experience there?
 
I almost forgot, You put a resume in front of any Chief Pilot in the industry that says 660 total, 400 727 SIC, You are going to set of every warning bell there is. They will show it to their friends for a laugh, but the only folks that are going to be interested are probably people you DO NOT want to work for.
Leardriver said so nicely. Any CP out there that sees that you (anybody) sold yourself to the devil will certainly not hire you, but tell all his buddies about you. No, not in a good way.

No one can make up your mind but you. It's hopefully your money to spend, and it's you that will have to live up to the way you spent it.
 
Yo Jack

"All I have gotten is the usual dribble about pay for training being the worst thing that ever happened to aviation."

Sorry you don't like the dribble, but that's what you are going to hear most of the time from professional pilots in reguard to PFT schemes. I sent your link to jetcareers.com...so they are now warned and informed. Thank you so much. And if I ever run into someone who has done this program, after they get an earful from me, I'll be sure to post their response on how they feel the program is helping their career.
 

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