Low seniority Pinnacle Capts

[CherryBomb]

I'd be curious to know if a guy got hired at Pinnacle as a street captain, would he flow back to FO when all the other (senior) FO's that were hired with really low time finally meet their upgrade minimums?

Is management making any of the new hires sign training contracts?

Just curious, did a quick search, couldn't find any info...

 

[DoinTime]

1 - No...Once you hold a position you cannot be bumped out of that position unless there are reductions posted in that position. If you are displaced you have certain contractual rights to reclaiming you vacancy for a certain period of time.

2 - They haven't been doing contracts for FO's for a long time now. That may change if someone is awarded a captain position off the street. The opportunity for people to come in for the free type rateing then quiting after training could likely be very costly.

 

[another cfii]

I'd be curious to know if a guy got hired at Pinnacle as a street captain, would he flow back to FO when all the other (senior) FO's that were hired with really low time finally meet their upgrade minimums?

Is management making any of the new hires sign training contracts?

Just curious, did a quick search, couldn't find any info...

If you get hired here as a Street Captain (Not happening right now), you will be at the bottom of the seniority list as both combined list, and CA list. You will likely be furloughed before you will "downgrade" to FO. Like DoingTime suggests.

We still have quite a few street hire CA folks that got hired here about 2 years ago and it's still sitting reserve. I think 1 or 2 of those guys are finally seeing daylight of a crummy 10 day High-speed line... All the FO upgraded stapled in front of them on the CA list. So those street CA bidding lower and lower in the schedule bid each month.

We do not have a training contract. Leave as you please. And many of us are please to leave

 

[CherryBomb]

thanks for the info gentlemen

 

[Flyer1015]

All the FO upgraded stapled in front of them on the CA list.

Wait a minute, the FOs aren't stapled, they have been at Pinnacle longer than the street hire captain, so when they upgrade, it's only natural that their seniority be higher and in front of those street hire captains. Do I have that correct?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Wait a minute, the FOs aren't stapled, they have been at Pinnacle longer than the street hire captain, so when they upgrade, it's only natural that their seniority be higher and in front of those street hire captains. Do I have that correct?

Yes you do. Don't use the word staple in this case because seniority is independent of seat assigment. When I started with PCL in 01 my upgrade came at 5 months on the line as an F/O, 9\11 caught me in the middle of upgrade, three months later all the F\O's that where furloughed came back and I ended up spending almost three years before I could hold a line because all the SAAB captains that came to the Jet and all the F/O's senior to me that upgraded went in front of me as it should be, they didn't staple anybody in front of me that was their seniority as they started upgrading.

I don't think you guys are hiring off the street captains, are you?
What is all this argument about when this is not the case?

 

[falconpilot]

If you get hired here as a Street Captain (Not happening right now), you will be at the bottom of the seniority list as both combined list, and CA list. You will likely be furloughed before you will "downgrade" to FO. Like DoingTime suggests.

We still have quite a few street hire CA folks that got hired here about 2 years ago and it's still sitting reserve. I think 1 or 2 of those guys are finally seeing daylight of a crummy 10 day High-speed line... All the FO upgraded stapled in front of them on the CA list. So those street CA bidding lower and lower in the schedule bid each month.

We do not have a training contract. Leave as you please. And many of us are please to leave

Pinnacle IS hiring street captains... I got the email to prove it.. I sent a resume in and got a interview invite for a "Captain position" one day later... But then I found out you would be on reserve for the rest of your life... And you only make 300 bucks a week in training...

 

[CherryBomb]

Well are the FAs hot???

 

[Wiggums]

Being that they are short staffed you would fly as a street captain?

I would just be looking to get my hours to a certain number.

 

[F16fixer]

Well are the FAs hot???

1:10 ratio

 

[CherryBomb]

At one point in time I heard of a study guide for the 121 atp test at the interview. I couldnt find it on avaitioninterviews(dot)com. Anyone know where its at??

Im all part 135, so I could probably use some good studying...

 

[another cfii]

Pinnacle IS hiring street captains... I got the email to prove it.. I sent a resume in and got a interview invite for a "Captain position" one day later... But then I found out you would be on reserve for the rest of your life... And you only make 300 bucks a week in training...

If that's the case, it's the first I've heard of it. My mistake for using the word "staple" in my earlier post. Since that word has been thrown around quite a bit lately.

Our FAs are as bland as it'll go. MSP has more "wholesome" good 'ol midwestern girl going on, DTW has a little bit of everything, and MEM is just plain old nasty. Seriously, I think we hired a few more cute FO now than FA lately. But I just don't get to fly with them anyway...

 

[industrystd]

I also was told that they were hiring street captains. Are there that many low time fo's that this is needed?
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[DMP]

Does any one know what the current upgrade time is for FO to captains?

 

[bertengineer]

Does any one know what the current upgrade time is for FO to captains?

Currently....3500 total, reduced to 3000 if you have 500 in company jet,
2000 multi. Last vacancy had 2 street guys in FO class get the award for upgrade..but they have to fly the line as an FO for a few months from what I heard.

 

[LiveStrong]

Pinnacle IS hiring street captains... I got the email to prove it.. I sent a resume in and got a interview invite for a "Captain position" one day later... But then I found out you would be on reserve for the rest of your life... And you only make 300 bucks a week in training...

I heard the same thing. RUN, RUN away from this place called Pinnacle. Forget reserve, the eight year pilots QOL here is awful. RUN, RUN AWAY! Or just come and train, then leave, don't even think of staying.

 

[DTWFO]

1:10 ratio

1 in 10?? Maybe with some super thick beer goggles on!! Or after one of our killer 5 day trips

 

[Lear70]

Man, things must have gone downhill quickly. I'd say the ratio was 1 in 5, but I was always on the junior side of things and getting the junior girls as well.

Had my fair share of cute and young before I got hitched. PCL was always good for that in the past.

As far as getting furloughed before you'd get displaced? Not a chance with as many F/O's as they're hiring currently as well.

If they're hiring 5 street CA's a month and 20 F/O's, then 6 months later lose 15 aircraft (roughly 4:1 staffing), they furlough 60 F/O's but have hired 120 total below you, so you get displaced to F/O.

This happened to me at the beginning of my 3rd year. Netted $10,000 and basically dropped to one trip a month. Illegal as hell per the contract, but who gives a crap. Scheduling was happy to do it 'cause they couldn't get newhire F/O's their consolidation hours and people were going back to the sim for rechecks for lack of time.

That was one of the funniest meetings with GB in ALL TIME... He got SO mad that I was dropping below contractual hours. Terry told him it was benefitting the company so STFU.

Incidentally, if you're displaced from CA to FO you have 90 days to reclaim your CA seat. If you can't claim a CA slot in any vacancies during that 90 day period, you go back in the regular pool of F/O's and THAT could take a while.

Wasn't a problem when the company was growing by 2-3 aircraft per month. Now? Depends on how bad the whipsaw gets.

Good luck,