Love Field operating in the Red. Who's fault is that? Not SWA!

[J3CubCapt]

So pay up.

Skboss, who says that we are not paying our share? SWA has paid what the city charged.

When I mentioned City Operations, I meant other Dallas city offices, not other airports.

J3

 

[ivauir]

You know, I think it would be hard to fly with you. You're so full of sh!t the flight deck probably smells worse than the lavatory! The airplane your flying probably has a brown contrail!

Sweet - ole flop gut has turned on the insult machine again! Who needs intellect? Who need facts? Not flopgut - he has insults. BTW I'm sure you are a real peach in person, and not having to fly with you is one of my favorite things about working at SWA.

We don't even have to argue about this one, this is flat out embarrassing! sure lets argue it How did you people think this was going to play out? I got news for you, look at the fares, there is no way you can make that claim you just did. Actaully there is a way - in fact it is quite easy - see below I think the way to fix this properly is let you sling-blade hillbillies sponsor the $8+ dollar per thousand pound fees and let AA have the $.35 fees for the next 30 years! That ought to make it about right. What do you think your fares will look like then? How about your paycheck?

You SWA folks have some hell to pay on this one.

Two cites picked at random: AA versus SWA using current fares - fully refundable one way tickets from the websites leaving tomorrow. The second SWA fare in the equation is the ABQ-DAL fare.

LA
AA 419
SWA 196+159 = 355

PHX
AA 503.50
SWA 109+159 = 268

I am sure you will answer this post with another insult. That is all I have ever seen you do. Do you treat people like this in real life? Or does being annonymous give you the courage you lack in real life? In no case will you admit that you are in error and that the WA is stifling competion. The fact is the WA is costing consumers and AA is benefiting.

 

[scoreboard]

Uh, because

Why does AA have to pay 20 times more for use of a Dallas airport than SWA?

AA management types are dumbshiittes??

Dude, if there is a problem at LUV, it's LUV field not funding/charging properly, not SWA NOT paying our bills.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Parallels of very similiar circumstances can be drawn between this sort of revelation and the factors that were the demise of Braniff. Of course I don't want you to go out of business, I just want you to have to pay your fair share. And in this case, it probably is in the billions. With interest and punitive damages, you bet. It should be huge. Why does AA have to pay 20 times more for use of a Dallas airport than SWA?

Because its more expensive to operate?

 

[scoreboard]

You sir, are

This is not really a problem, SWA has plenty of money to make this right.

Sure, and while we are at it, lets use our profits to bring down the deficit and cure cancer.... I think they should be able to recoup all the monies rightfully owed the airport for all these years. And what did SWA do wrong? Was there a trial I missed?
SWA might have to call off some growth and sell some planes or something. Like, nothing? If it were AA ripping off the public like this they would want to shut them down. PLease oh please see post above by ivauir

Off the deep end, ciao.

 

[Flopgut]

Guys, the truth hurts. You have been ripping people off. Ivauir's fare quotes evidently should be adjusted for wrongfully imposed airport fees. That is the whole point buddy! Lets scale the economies of these airports, who is flying cheaper then?

At CAL they were finding financial schemes planted by lorenzo as late as 1999. In one scheme, all the CSDs on the B727s had been sold to a company and were being leased back at a ridiculous fee. I bet that is the same thing here. This is probably something heldover from the back room deals that Herb made with Lady Bird to cut down Braniff! I mean come on, are you kidding me? $.35 vs. $8+ dollars! That's ridiculous. I hope they start pulling your nuts off over this. You deserve it.

Lets just switch the fees, OK? We don't even have to make adjustments for inflation or anything. Lets just hang the 8 dollar fee on your b!tch a$$ for about three decades and call it even.

 

[ivauir]

Guys, the truth hurts. You have been ripping people off. Ivauir's fare quotes evidently should be adjusted for wrongfully imposed airport fees. That is the whole point buddy! Lets scale the economies of these airports, who is flying cheaper then?

At CAL they were finding financial schemes planted by lorenzo as late as 1999. In one scheme, all the CSDs on the B727s had been sold to a company and were being leased back at a ridiculous fee. I bet that is the same thing here. This is probably something heldover from the back room deals that Herb made with Lady Bird to cut down Braniff! I mean come on, are you kidding me? $.35 vs. $8+ dollars! That's ridiculous. I hope they start pulling your nuts off over this. You deserve it.

Lets just switch the fees, OK? We don't even have to make adjustments for inflation or anything. Lets just hang the 8 dollar fee on your b!tch a$$ for about three decades and call it even.

How can you claim not to hate SWA and yet continue to post this drivel? Comparing Herb to lorenzo - you have lost your mind.

 

[Flopgut]

How can you claim not to hate SWA and yet continue to post this drivel? Comparing Herb to lorenzo - you have lost your mind.

I absolutely do not hate SWA. I was particuliarly fond of Braniff. I think that turnabout is fairplay. You screwed Braniff, yours is coming. Or at least should be coming. You will most likely (and wrongfully) persevere.

 

[ivauir]

I absolutely do not hate SWA.

Could have fooled me.

You have been ripping people off

on your b!tch a$$

You know, I think it would be hard to fly with you. You're so full of sh!t the flight deck probably smells worse than the lavatory! The airplane your flying probably has a brown contrail!

you sling-blade hillbillies

You SWA folks have some hell to pay on this one.

With tenants like SWA, who needs enemies?

I hope they start pulling your nuts off over this. You deserve it.

Now this is just from one thread. I know the third one wasn't about SWA, just me, but it was such an unnessecary, unprovoked, and crude personal attack that I just had to throw it in. It is interesting that even when we agree on something (SR65) you find it necessary to toss a few insults my way. Face it: you are a SWA hater.
You are a spiteful person with nothing to contribute to this discussion. You lurk on every SWA thread looking for a hint of arrogance, a peice of bad news ANYTHING so you can gloat over the demise of SWA. Everytime I respond to your missinformation and lies, you slander and insult me.

 

[Flopgut]

Could have fooled me.













Now this is just from one thread. I know the third one wasn't about SWA, just me, but it was such an unnessecary, unprovoked, and crude personal attack that I just had to throw it in. It is interesting that even when we agree on something (SR65) you find it necessary to toss a few insults my way. Face it: you are a SWA hater.
You are a spiteful person with nothing to contribute to this discussion. You lurk on every SWA thread looking for a hint of arrogance, a peice of bad news ANYTHING so you can gloat over the demise of SWA. Everytime I respond to your missinformation and lies, you slander and insult me.

Slander and insult huh? You are getting off easy. How about the career Braniff pilots and their families that your airline roasted? How about all the people who have suffered under this bullsh!t arrangement of one airport with pennies in fees (yours), and AA which gets to sponsor fees that exceed anyone's impression of reasonable? this is not about "you and me", don't flatter yourself. This is about Southwest Airlines and the crap they have been feeding people for 30+ years. This business should have never lost Braniff to your pseudo airline crap.

You meet me in person and you'll know it. I don't sugarcoat my feelings on this issue. Most often when I talk about this with my contemporaies who are at SWA they just stare at the floor and hope I shut up. They know they have a bullsh!t position on the issue.

 

[ivauir]

This business should have never lost Braniff to your pseudo airline crap.

Alright! Another for the list! You are a HATER

 

[Flopgut]

You know Ivauir, you might be (a little) right. I don't hate you. I hope you have a good career. I just hate the SWA characterization of themselves on this issue. It is utter bullsh!t and it is offensive. On this issue, your airline is making WalMart look like the March of Dimes.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Slander and insult huh? You are getting off easy. How about the career Braniff pilots and their families that your airline roasted? How about all the people who have suffered under this bullsh!t arrangement of one airport with pennies in fees (yours), and AA which gets to sponsor fees that exceed anyone's impression of reasonable? this is not about "you and me", don't flatter yourself. This is about Southwest Airlines and the crap they have been feeding people for 30+ years. This business should have never lost Braniff to your pseudo airline crap.

You meet me in person and you'll know it. I don't sugarcoat my feelings on this issue. Most often when I talk about this with my contemporaies who are at SWA they just stare at the floor and hope I shut up. They know they have a bullsh!t position on the issue.

Which Braniff are you talking about. 1...2...or 3?

If SWA was responsible for Braniffs demise why did Braniff coin AA the "Sky Nazis" and not SWA?

Lets face it...AA did greater harm to Braniff than SWA could have ever been capable times 10.

I'm afraid your a bit delusional.

 

[Flopgut]

Ivauir: I have not even looked at the "SWA upgrade" thread. I post nothing there, I don't care. Go ahead and upgrade, good for you. I said nothing to you on the age 60-65 stuff. However, if you want to talk Dallas airports/Southwest Airlines, that is personal, and your position is indefensible. SWA screwed Braniff to the wall in a less than honorable manner. If we can finally flush out the truth and your airline suffers, so be it.

 

[Flopgut]

I'm afraid your a bit delusional.

I'm sorry, I don't really have time to bring you fully up to speed on this issue.

It was Braniff 1, pertaining specifically to when Braniff matched every SWA leg from Love with a cheaper fair and SWA had Braniff thrown off the airport with a trumped up court order. Oh yeah, that was the free market at work....not.

 

[TAZ MAN]

I'm sorry, I don't really have time to bring you fully up to speed on this issue.

It was Braniff 1, pertaining specifically to when Braniff matched every SWA leg from Love with a cheaper fair and SWA had Braniff thrown off the airport with a trumped up court order. Oh yeah, that was the free market at work....not.

Black helicopters flying overhead?

I think I would call that predatory pricing. Which I think is frowned upon by the government.

Why don't you expand on AA a bit also?

Price fixing ring a bell?

Please expand on the expression "Ski Nazi" and where it came from.

 

[Flopgut]

Black helicopters flying overhead?

I think I would call that predatory pricing. Which I think is frowned upon by the government.

Why don't you expand on AA a bit also?

Price fixing ring a bell?

This was pre-predatory pricing to be sure! That phrase had not even been coined. This was just old fashion corrupt municipal politics. Braniff wanted the business, they wanted Love Field. Herb ambushed them.

AA is what they are. The airline that has raised the mortgage at DFW for forever. Do you think that is where they want to be? He11 no, they would rather DFW had never been built and they could have operated at Love.

 

[TAZ MAN]

This was pre-predatory pricing to be sure! That phrase had not even been coined. This was just old fashion corrupt municipal politics. Braniff wanted the business, they wanted Love Field. Herb ambushed them.

AA is what they are. The airline that has raised the mortgage at DFW for forever. Do you think that is where they want to be? He11 no, they would rather DFW had never been built and they could have operated at Love.

Braniff was deeply in debt when Braniff tried to snuff out SWA. It backfired on them. 747's and concordes hurt more than little ol SWA flying in Texas. Braniff was this huge international carrier for its time and they made some huge commitments and then deregulation came along. And they got caught with an anti-trust lawsuit. They try to fly out of DFW and AA killed them. Then AA got caught with an anti-trust lawsuit but it was too late. That is where the term "Ski Nazi" came from. Some think it is a term given just to the pilots. But it was coined to AA altogether by the Braniff management.

Holding SWA responsible for Braniffs demise is a long, long stretch. They weren't exactly a healthy company for a very long time.

 

[canyonblue]

Braniff lowered its Dallas-Houston fare to just $13. In an action that became characteristic of the airline, Muse responded with newspaper advertisements claiming, "Nobody's going to shoot Southwest Airlines out of the sky for a lousy $13," offering customers their choice of either a $13 fare or a full-fare ticket plus a fifth of premium liquor. The bottles of liquor did not cost $13, but a businessman could put the $26 fare on his expense report and take the liquor home free. Once again, a Braniff tactic backfired. With 80 percent of its customer base choosing to pay full fare, Southwest won this 1972 fare war and became the largest distributor in Texas of Chivas, Crown Royal, and Smirnoff. Braniff and Texas International were later indicted and pled nolo contendere to antitrust charges in connection with their activities involving Southwest.

 

[Skyboss]

This is not really a problem, SWA has plenty of money to make this right. I think they should be able to recoup all the monies rightfully owed the airport for all these years. SWA might have to call off some growth and sell some planes or something. If it were AA ripping off the public like this they would want to shut them down. SWA should be treated no better.

SWA isn't the owner and operator of DAL, they don't have anything that can make poor management of an airport right. In fact, controlling airlines at a facility are generally more of a problem then an assistant in airport finance. I haven't seen an airline yet with the majority of the operations at a given facility not try to take advantage of an airport.