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Read the article carefully.

That was a great job by the "operators" who attempted to get the gear down.

"Operators."

"One moment please while I connect your call to the department of SHOW THE FRIGGING PILOTS SOME RESPECT..."




Sorry. Rant over. I feel better now.
 
Move on, nothing to see here except a Polish landing! :laugh:

(In all seriousness, kudos to the pilots, nice work.) :beer:
 
Well, that is the end of the "How does a pollack knows he landed with the gear up" joke. Very well executed, I for one would like to know the details as to why also the alternate system failed, there were several minds dealing with this since they were in contact with their maintenance department as well, quite a puzzling event. But whatever the circumstances behind the cause of the event may be, one thing we cannot deny is that the gear up landing portion was done brilliantly
 
I wonder how long it will take to clear that runway.

Am I correct in supposing they'll probably be able to lift the airplane with those huge airbags and pull the gear down?
 
JimNtexas said:
I wonder how long it will take to clear that runway.

Am I correct in supposing they'll probably be able to lift the airplane with those huge airbags and pull the gear down?
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Airbags can be used to lift astronomically huge payloads. 100 psi across a 36X36 bag is 129,600 pounds of lifting force. Meaning...a simple garage compressor most of us probably own can supply a 3 foot by 3 foot airbag with enough force to lift many fully loaded airplanes by itself...but obviously the balance would be off so you would use multiple bags for stability.

Whether they use them or not depends on who's doing it. A crane with large straps might do it...depends on many variables.
 
RAT Probe heat operating on the ground in EWR and not troubleshot properly? Place your bets...
 
AP Article today on Yahoo finance stated that "the planes central hydraulic system failed a half-hour into the flight" from Newark.
 
airplane wizard said:
Yet they crossed the ocean like that.....
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Apparently. Without being qualified on the 76 ER, ETOPS, NAT requirements or the LOT Ops Specs it's difficult to comment.

The press is reporting that the Captains last name translated into English means "The Crow". He can certainly land.
 
You do have redundancy with two systems available, one hydraulic system out is not an emergency nor cause to divert. This was a non event until they activated the alternate gear extension and nothing happened, their though process wasn't at all one of doing a belly landing but rather at what weight they were going to do a flaps 20 landing, go back or do it 70,000lbs lighter.
 
Dumb Pilot said:
You do have redundancy with two systems available, one hydraulic system out is not an emergency nor cause to divert. This was a non event until they activated the alternate gear extension and nothing happened, their though process wasn't at all one of doing a belly landing but rather at what weight they were going to do a flaps 20 landing, go back or do it 70,000lbs lighter.
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What happens if you lose the other system?

Does the alternate system electrically unlatch the doors and the gear then "falls" down, or is it hydraulic too?

btw, how is the 787 working for you guys? Many tech issues?

Thanks
 
If you lose the center hyd system, then you are down to the alternate extension and It is an electrical command (the same up locks but with a different power source) to release the locks holding the main landing gear doors closed (the weight of the gear is resting on the doors as you place the lever back to neutral after gear retraction) and the nose gear up locks and they just fall into place, then heavy duty springs locks them into place.

I don't really hear too much about the 78 out on the line
 
Don't know about the Poles but my ass would never be crossing the Atlantic with the C HYD system out. The C HYD System on the 767 is the "heavy hitter" system (most hydraulic stuff is on it) and I WOULD declare an emergency. Period. It is nothing to mess around with - ESPECIALLY crossing an ocean.
 
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The RAT, 3rd elec. source, is operated on the center system. If suppose if their MEL allowed them to operate with the APU on, and dispatch OK'd it, then maybe. Of course, if they're filed (re-filed) on a "Blue Spruce" route then it's a moot point.

I'm sure curious what really happened, and why the BU system failed.
 
From the LOT Ops Manual:

"Prior to receiving our first 767, Polish engineers asked Boeing to install a system that disables the central hydraulic systen at Pressure Altitudes greater that 50 Feet. Since the system is "Central" it must not be used in anything other than the most serious emergencies."
 

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