Loss of medical for fumes, what up here?

[scoreboardII]

So whats the rest of the story here, cabin air quality form?



Toxic Fumes in USAirways jets to blame for lost Medicals...

The following is an email sent out by USAPA to its members.


Safety Committee Update
Safety Committee Again Warns of Toxic Fumes
There is an extreme danger in accepting and flying aircraft that have odors or fumes. Within the past week, there have been two more instances of both pilots and flight attendants becoming ill -- seriously ill -- after the flight crews accepted and flew aircraft with unknown odors. Two pilots have lost their medicals due to these fumes, and there will be more unless and until you realize the gravity of this hazard.
DO NOT accept or fly an aircraft with unknown odors in either the back or front of an aircraft. You are putting yourselves, your crew and your passengers at risk for inhalation of neurotoxin compounds that likely come from aerosolized engine oil or hydraulic fluid. These compounds can, and have, caused serious neurological illnesses to both pilots and flight attendants, in some cases resulting in permanent and total disability. We have stressed in the past the dangers associated with these events, yet we still have pilots who are willing to take a chance that the odors are benign. Don't do it. You are putting your health and career at risk.
If you are confronted with this issue, make an entry in the FDML, complete the cabin air quality form and refuse the aircraft until maintenance has deemed it airworthy. If the odor reappears at any time thereafter, either return to the gate or, if airborne, follow your QRH smoke and fume guidance and land at the nearest suitable airport.
It is your responsibility to stop the operation until you are completely satisfied it can be completed safely. Toxic fumes are patently unsafe, and we have no way of knowing whether the odors we are experiencing are toxic or not. Always err on the side of safety. Your health depends on your decision.
Tom Kubik
John Sabel

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[vetrider]

Just another usapa attempt at a job action would be my guess. Their last attempt got neutered pretty quickly with a read file.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I'd like to know the names of the pilots and flight attendants permanently disabled (maybe LTD $$ a month before retirement??) from stinky water separators.

Jets have had the same systems for decades and now is the time to push the panic button (of course that's the only button USAPA has)?

 

[kf4amu]

Man you guys are rough.

 

[Ty Webb]

Man you guys are rough.

Yep. Talk about a "rush to judgement"...

Pilots are so quick to believe the worst about one another, yet we wonder why this once-proud profession has degraded to the point where it is little better than a job.

 

[vetrider]

If you guys only knew, only lived with this, you'd probably understand. Ever had a federal RICO suit filed against for some nonsense you posted on a web board? Individuals were looking at personal bankruptcy not even being able to afford the court process. Now that's rough. And that's just scratching the surface.

They've pulled out every stop. Literally. It's almost unbelievable.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Whats this mean. Thats a bunch of jibberish. Explain what you are saying, not so cryptic. Im public educated, might explain still being a pilot!

Put anither way "what you talkin bout willis?"

 

[list2002]

Whats this mean. Thats a bunch of jibberish. Explain what you are saying, not so cryptic. Im public educated, might explain still being a pilot!

Put anither way "what you talkin bout willis?"

Ditto ^^^

 

[crj567]

This sounds familiar. I have heard of a couple of people who have had sinus problems after having an incident with a smoking pack. These things use some sort of oil which is really bad to inhale. If you ever are in a situation where you have a pack that smells like burning oil, don't mess around.

If you run into this situation, see a good dr. fast. Get things documented. This stuff gets in your sinuses, and it can cause problems for months, if not years. You don't need to mess around. The union is correct on this one. It can be dangerous, and it can cause long-term medical trouble.

 

[Metrojet]

Just another usapa attempt at a job action would be my guess. Their last attempt got neutered pretty quickly with a read file.

I sure hope your not the Captain on a flight that I might be riding on and something like this happens on board. It has happened twice - once on a 767 and once on an A320 ( although i wasn't on board).

Metrojet

 

[kf4amu]

If you guys only knew, only lived with this, you'd probably understand. Ever had a federal RICO suit filed against for some nonsense you posted on a web board? Individuals were looking at personal bankruptcy not even being able to afford the court process. Now that's rough. And that's just scratching the surface.

They've pulled out every stop. Literally. It's almost unbelievable.

You may be right, but I dont understand how that applies here.

 

[vetrider]

I sure hope your not the Captain on a flight that I might be riding on and something like this happens on board. It has happened twice - once on a 767 and once on an A320 ( although i wasn't on board).

Metrojet

If something happens that truly demands some kind of action, I will take it. Period. Just as any professional would.

However that's not what I'm talking about here. Usapa is already well known for going to great lengths, no matter how low, to accomplish it's objectives. This is all part of your DOH orchestration.

You drama queens will cheapen and use anything.

 

[Carl S.]

LTD scam or work action for sure! The west had a airbus fill with smoke so thick the pilots could not see the panels till they killed the pack several years ago, no loss of medical for either pilot. Just fall down the jetway or pee yourself and save us this safety bluff USAPA loves to do during the busy seasons.

 

[FR8mastr]

I cant believe some of you guys, I think some of you have officially gone off the deep end.

To make a well known subject like this and turn it in to some kind of East Bashing fest is insane. Many people on these boards may not know how serious these kind of fumes can be, and because of your constant ranting about how its just a USAPA plot to gain seniority they may not take the appropriate action if they find themselves in a similar situation.
The documentation on this is well known around the world, well outside of the East West BS.
There are many reasons one can raise hell about USAPA or any union for that matter, but to take this course, with a known carcinogen that can have permanent and possible fatal outcomes, really speaks volumes about your character.
I just hope nobody ends up losing their medical or worse because of your actions.
Some of you really need to get a grip before it really does hurt somebody.

 

[MCDU]

What do you expect from these PFT misfits hired by America West. They can not stand the fact that they can not cash in a lottery ticket. Working under the best contract they ever had and still flying their planes in PHX is not enough. Greed has taken over and they spew about stuff that makes them look like desperate clowns. Kind of like when they tried to convince others and the NTSB that shoving the throttles to TOGA would have saved the ditching in the Hudson. I guess it is why all rejects landed at AWA. Could not pass an interview at a major you went to Mesa Grande.

M

 

[vetrider]

I cant believe some of you guys, I think some of you have officially gone off the deep end.

To make a well known subject like this and turn it in to some kind of East Bashing fest is insane. Many people on these boards may not know how serious these kind of fumes can be, and because of your constant ranting about how its just a USAPA plot to gain seniority they may not take the appropriate action if they find themselves in a similar situation.
The documentation on this is well known around the world, well outside of the East West BS.
There are many reasons one can raise hell about USAPA or any union for that matter, but to take this course, with a known carcinogen that can have permanent and possible fatal outcomes, really speaks volumes about your character.
I just hope nobody ends up losing their medical or worse because of your actions.
Some of you really need to get a grip before it really does hurt somebody.

Usapa is as pure as the freshly fallen snow. You are right.

 

[FR8mastr]

Usapa is as pure as the freshly fallen snow. You are right.

Again your hate is blinding you.

This has nothing to do with USAPA!
OK hero, what would you do if you were in charge? let me guess you would not put out any info on the subject right? Or maybe you would only tell the pilots you like.

I am serious about the question, you are in a position of some responsibility to the pilot group and you have info that poisonous fumes could be getting into the air of the aircraft that could end careers or worse. What would you do?

 

[Carl S.]

The USAPA Faithful will take any word from their leaders as the whole truth with no negative intent. Most of all USAPA communications are full of spin and use the words LIARS, LOSERS and INTERNET TRASHTALKERS when they do not follow USAPA's story line and slander the non-faithful. Most EAST pilots want to think what USAPA is stating is pure as fresh snow, but in truth is NYC slush with a little dog poo thrown in. They have used the safety card before( callsign) and are willing to do it again if needed. Wait till the safety survey comes out, good loaded question in there to spin!!!

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Is this really an east west bash with no lucidity? If so, screw you guys. What a waste.

 

[filejw]

PPrune has other info on incidents like this but it is the real deal....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/t...-legal-victory-for-sick-flight-attendant.html