Looming Pilot Shortage

[A Squared]

There is no shortage of professional pilots.

There is a shortage of people willing to do what you want, to the standards you require, for the money you pay, and the conditions to which you subject them.

Change the last two items and you will find that your "looming pilot shortage" will evaporate.

Thanks, that was what I was trying to say, only more eloquent.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Thanks, that was what I was trying to say, only more eloquent.

I'll skip paragraphs of eloquent speaches.

All is can say is BULL$HIT!!!!!!!


CE

 

[A Squared]

I'll skip paragraphs of eloquent speaches.

All is can say is BULL$HIT!!!!!!!


CE

Yep, that works too.

 

[pilotyip]

onthe beach, not the case at all. We pay the highest wages in the on-demand busienss. Average pilot makes $65K, average DC-9 Captain makes $95K, with 1/3 of our DC-9 Captain breaking the 6 figure number. Average pilot has been here 6 years, average DC-9 Captain 11 years. Instead of getting 100 resumes a month I am getting around 50, we still find good pilots, but if you don't stick them in a class right away they find other jobs that is how I judge the shortage. We only hire about 8 per year to cover turnover

 

[Corona]

There was a pilot shortage in1965....

This pretty much sums up your predictions, doesn't it, yip?

Ya, and gold will go up to about $9,000 an ounce.

Also, you should invest in pumpkin futures on about October 28th. They should peak out around the 20th of December. Or so says Homer Simpson...

C

 

[Corona]

...average DC-9 Captain makes $95K, with 1/3 of our DC-9 Captain breaking the 6 figure number...

Does "breaking the 6 figure number" include per diem? Just curious.

95K for a captain in a DC-9 is about 60% of what they should make.

C

 

[FN FAL]

This pretty much sums up your predictions, doesn't it, yip?

Ya, and gold will go up to about $9,000 an ounce.

Also, you should invest in pumpkin futures on about October 28th. They should peak out around the 20th of December. Or so says Homer Simpson...

C

With 6/6/6 around the corner, I'd invest in some That's Armageddon! insurance.

 

[Corona]

With 6/6/6 around the corner, I'd invest in some That's Armageddon! insurance.

LOL!

Shouldn't that be 06/6/06? It is possible to be saved by a couple zeros, ya know! Like those two guys on Car Talk, for example.

C

 

[Papps]

Yip, your enthusiasim is kick arse. You have a good job, make good money, and seem to love it. Unfortunatly what I see is (A) people that hate their job and hate their life/lifestyle would love to get out, but have bills to pay, or (B) people that are desprately trying to make the best of a complete industry cluster falk and stay positive. Very rarely do i come across (C) people who are genuinely happy with their decision to become a professional pilot. And those attitudes are usually temporary steming from a new job or looming captain upgrade. There is no pilot shortage and there won't be. people will always beg to work for free as long as it is in a cockpit. The only variable is turnover. As the profession continues to decline the turnover will get crazy. But there will always be eager spikey haired kids ready to warm those seats

 

[pilotyip]

Papps; That is right I was one of those eager kid back in 1966, 1977, 1978, 1982, 1989, 1991, 1996, and finally 1997. It is still a great career, I can not believe how lucky I am to still be living the dream. Well maybe in my case just living and having a 1st class medical is a dream. I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.

 

[Metro752]

im sick of all you cry babies, if you hate your job so much, get out, and watch out for that door. Not what you expected? OH WELL!

Changed since you started because of 9/11? Thank Slick Willy and UBL, and all the other jelly fish!

How can you people who complain so much make it through daily life? I mean come on!!

 

[Thedude]

im sick of all you cry babies, if you hate your job so much, get out, and watch out for that door. Not what you expected? OH WELL!

And you have been in the biz how long??!!

 

[Metro752]

havent, and seriously, why do you all complain so much? If you don't like it, find another job.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

im sick of all you cry babies, if you hate your job so much, get out, and watch out for that door. Not what you expected? OH WELL!

Changed since you started because of 9/11? Thank Slick Willy and UBL, and all the other jelly fish!

How can you people who complain so much make it through daily life? I mean come on!!

Sure, Curious George had nothing to do with it.

***Please keep your hands and feet inside the thread as it jerks to the right***

CE

 

[Metro752]

Sure, Curious George had nothing to do with it.

***Please keep your hands and feet inside the thread as it jerks to the right***

CE

***correcting for the abrupt jolt to the left*** ghey!

 

[TrafficInSight]

seriously though, the more people who get out of the industry the better... that leaves more jobs for ME

 

[time builder]

seriously though, the more people who get out of the industry the better... that leaves more jobs for ME

I agree, that and the reason we have so many regionals on major routes isn't for fuel savings, its because they save on their pilot wages. Do the math 3000+ lbs/hr for a 50 seat RJ vs. 5000 to 6000 lbs/hr for a 150 seat boeing or airbus.

 

[fromunda]

havent, and seriously, why do you all complain so much? If you don't like it, find another job.

If you don't like it, why don't you find another board? This board if for pilots, not wannabes. You have 1900 posts and no ratings. How freaking funny is that?

It's posers like you that drive away real content on this board.

 

[NuGuy]

With 6/6/6 around the corner, I'd invest in some That's Armageddon! insurance.

Hey FN,

You don't have a dog named "Big Jim Slade" do ya?

Nu

 

[lowtimedriver]

Oh boy, more Kit Darby fodder. There has been umpteen hundred articles about this so called looming pilot shortage. I don't think there will ever be a shortage.

What do you really think about this clip PilotYIP?

Great! I'm turning 49 in a couple of weeks, I'll doing my check ride for my PPL in August. I have a great career ahead of me, probably flying F-27's for Namibia.

 

[njcapt]

If the VLJ Air Taxi industry takes off as hoped, that might create a demand (unless offset by airline shrinkage). The question is will a furloughed 737 Captain be willing to fly an Eclipse from BCT-DTS for 45K.

This ex-737-Captain would. I spent the past week on my knees tiling floors and running baseboard. F that.

 

[Papps]

seriously though, the more people who get out of the industry the better... that leaves more jobs for ME

Have at it dude.

 

[FN FAL]

Hey FN,

You don't have a dog named "Big Jim Slade" do ya?

Nu

...and the capital of Nebraska is Lincoln!

 

[FN FAL]

Great! I'm turning 49 in a couple of weeks, I'll doing my check ride for my PPL in August. I have a great career ahead of me, probably flying F-27's for Namibia.

Are you really turning 49?

Good luck and press on with your dream! There's a lot of good jobs out there, don't overlook 135 as a career. It's not all night flying with junky airplanes, but to get those better 135 jobs you'll need at least twice the mins of the regionals or know somebody.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

what military pilot is going to go to a regional? (other than one who doesn't have 1000 pic, but thats rare, no?)

I did it....plenty of PIC, also. I wasn't alone. Timing is everything.

Now that all the contracts have been raped (by willing whores in a lot of cases), and the companies out there are emerging from CH.11, the inevitable swing to the pendulum will continue. YIP has been calling this one for a couple of years now, and although the QOL won't be what it was circa 2000, there's going to be a lot of seats needing to be filled....age 65 or not.

 

[Ill Mitch]

If you don't like it, why don't you find another board? This board if for pilots, not wannabes. You have 1900 posts and no ratings. How freaking funny is that?

It's posers like you that drive away real content on this board.

Metro doesn't complain about the boards, but pilots complain about their jobs.
I find it pretty funny that when someone makes a statement like "if you don't like your job, then get out" people jump all over them, but never address why they stay in a vocation that they do not like.

Some people are getting smart and getting out. Others that I know hate it, hated it when they first got on, and will keep on hating it until they die or retire. To these people, I have a swift kick in the nuts cuz I'm sick of dealing with ya.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Metro doesn't complain about the boards, but pilots complain about their jobs.
I find it pretty funny that when someone makes a statement like "if you don't like your job, then get out" people jump all over them, but never address why they stay in a vocation that they do not like.

Some people are getting smart and getting out. Others that I know hate it, hated it when they first got on, and will keep on hating it until they die or retire. To these people, I have a swift kick in the nuts cuz I'm sick of dealing with ya.

I wouldn't get on Metro, because he's entitled to his opinion.

Yip and I have discussed this on a few occasions. The reason I don't get out is because I don't possess the training or skills to do anything else at this point or the desire to learn anything new. This is a job to me and it has always been that way. Even the military was merely a means to an end.

If, in a perfect world, I could economically cover my needs while fixing all the things about being a commercial pilot that I don't like, I'd leave today. But it isn't going to happen.

And before I get the comment "you must be a real joy to be on a trip with" yada yada yada...

I'm the kind of guy that you'd want to be on a trip with, because I never talk about airplanes or the company. Truth is, I don't care much about either.

As far as you kicking anyone in the nuts...might I suggest decaf?

 

[Metro752]

purpleinMeM and most of you other reasonable guys, that "dont like it, get out," isnt pointed at you, its aimed at the guys who in every post say this or that sucks blah blah blah

i've been doin demolition(ha smashing stuff and ripping out floors) in disgusting trailers so i can afford gas to get to the airport

 

[pilotyip]

What not talk about airplanes what other reason is there for living. I still spend my free time hanging around airports.

 

[Papps]

Metro, im with you. Just because these guys have been in the industry for 10 or 20 years doesnt mean anything. what did those riddle kids say after graduating the CAPT. program with 200 hours "some say that there is no substitution for experience, we disagree, we dont think experience equals judgement." I would say go for it, and sign on. Just make sure your mom and dad dont turn your bedroom into an office anytime soon. You're on an aviation forum, if you dont want to hear other peoples opinion of the current state of the industry then dont log on. Maybe after you get a rating or a job or something you can throw your opinion around here too.