Look like an uprising at ALPA is on the horizon

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The one dinosaur trick ALPA has perfected is scaring the dues paying serfs.

"Always remember that the king has the helm and no serf need think for himself or doubt because it could really upset the boat. Neither should he think himself wise enough to vote without the wise council of the mothership, nor should he even consider wondering off the reservation to form something better."

Look how it has destroyed American and imagine were SoutWest would be if they paid dues to ALPA!

Does the APA and SWAPA buy services from ALPA?

 

[Turtle21]

Does the APA and SWAPA buy services from ALPA?

Agreed, the APA and SWAPA actually allow their pilots to vote, and evidently don't purchase ALPA crack negotiators. But if they did, imagine the yacht ALPA would skim.

 

[jonjuan]

Does the APA and SWAPA buy services from ALPA?

Yep and DPA will too. Why buy the whole cow when you can get a quart of fresh milk for $1.99.

 

[tomgoodman]

Cow Cabotage

Why buy the whole cow when you can get a quart of fresh milk for $1.99.

Depending on how much milk you need, owning the cow may be cheaper. Besides, when you "outsource" services you might not receive the same quality, as we repeatedly tell airline management.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Tom, I completely agree!

 

[Turtle21]

Depending on how much milk you need, owning the cow may be cheaper. Besides, when you "outsource" services you might not receive the same quality, as we repeatedly tell airline management.

Less quality.. :laugh: Yeah, like when ALPA outsources seniority integration determination.

Most ALPA officials are seen as no different than entrenched, corrupt career politicians that put protection of self interest above their representational responsibilities. Its sorta degenerated into a Ponzi scheme. Who knows how much longer they can hold out against the growing unrest of the natives.

Maybe ALPA should come out with an aggressive campaign to tell the natives to calm down and point the finger of accusation in the correct direction..

Its your fault... YOU are ALPA! Yeah, that will work.

Rez, PCL, over to you!

 

[PCL_128]

This is entertaining if nothing else....Ray Charles could have seen this train wreck coming within ALPA.

That being said, what changes by leaving ALPA? American/APA and Eagle/ALPA have the same issues.

As much as it pains me to say this, ALPA didn't create this mess. They didn't help, but they sure didn't create it. EGO by "big airplane" drivers created this mess. Somehow, we got off the track by thinking that seat number and propulsion made us different. That was a mistake.

This morphed into using the smaller airplanes to "build time" so that one could become a "real" airline pilot. All the while, those at the top, continued to sell of the bottom numbers to protect what they had....The spiral tightened.....

Now here we are, and we somehow think that we can change the letters of the organization that represents us....Go for it if you want, but it doesn't change the basic problem, or the attitude that got us here....

Quite possibly the best post you've ever made here. Well said!

 

[DGdaPilot]

Agreed, the APA and SWAPA actually allow their pilots to vote, and evidently don't purchase ALPA crack negotiators. But if they did, imagine the yacht ALPA would skim.

And how much progress has their been at the negotiating table over at AA? Hmmm.......

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Less quality.. :laugh: Yeah, like when ALPA outsources seniority integration determination.

Most ALPA officials are seen as no different than entrenched, corrupt career politicians that put protection of self interest above their representational responsibilities. Its sorta degenerated into a Ponzi scheme. Who knows how much longer they can hold out against the growing unrest of the natives.

Maybe ALPA should come out with an aggressive campaign to tell the natives to calm down and point the finger of accusation in the correct direction..

Its your fault... YOU are ALPA! Yeah, that will work.

Rez, PCL, over to you!

Any Airline Pilot who wants to be be flying US registered jets for US airlines has to follow this priority... even though they probably don't even know it...

International issues
National issues
Local issues

APA, SWAPA, USAPA, IPA, IBT.. all function on the lowest level...

Basically what they have done is... gone the easy, attractive route.. which is blinders on and deal with what is going on right in front of them, right here, right now. Like a small town hick who never leaves the county yet his food and cothing that he buys at Family Dollar/WM is made around the world...

Are these pilot groups, especially the ones with int'l routes prepared for a UAL Aer Lingus deal? Outsourcing, which is the American Way by the way, has been seen in the pilot world as effecting the bottom of the seniority list, but management has schemes to attack it from the sides and top....

In order to prevent widebody outsourcing, cabatoge, etc.. pilot groups are going to have to function on an international level.

Does USAPA have an international game plan? APA? IPA?

Are they a member of IFALPA?

AFL-CIO?

TTD?

Do they have permanent observer status at ICAO?

Int'l Transport Workers?

Do they have the long standing relationships needed to unify international pilot groups with different languages, cultures, values, ideas, etc...


It is easy and deceptively gratifying to make yourself out to be the biggest fish in a small pond...

 

[Turtle21]

Any Airline Pilot who wants to be be flying US registered jets for US airlines has to follow this priority... even though they probably don't even know it...

International issues
National issues
Local issues
....

Yeah sure, whatever, ALPA is still so much d@mn smarter than we pilots that don't even know (of course that's the way ALPA always is, smarter than us and making decisions that protect us from ourselves, but when we complain ALPA points the finger at us, who were denied the vote, screaming YOU ARE ALPA. ) .

If ALPA hadn't ignored their dues paying pilots and denied them a vote so many times, telling them they weren't smart enough (thanks again, for the repeat) then maybe the turd wouldn't stink.

Back to you sunshine.

P.S. Don't feel bad because it probably isn't your fault. There are some essential minimum things that the dues paying pilot expects that you probably don't even know!