Logging time in the Hawk AST 300

[buckman]

I'm currently taking a class which uses a Hawk AST 300 and am wondering how I should be logging the time. I fly for one hour in the left seat as the Pilot Flying and then one hour in the right seat as Filot Not Flying.
What is the proper way to log this time? Can I log both hours in the sim or just the time I'm flying?

Thanks!

Buckman

 

[C-5 MEM]

You can log PIC time while in the left seat. While in the right seat if I am not mistaken you can't log nothing. This is no different than when you flying in the C172 in the right seat.

 

[tdvalve]

Let's not be giving out bum information, somebody might take it seriously.

An AST-300 is not a simulator, not that it makes much difference. The definition of a simulator is contained in AC120-40. It may or may not even be a flight training device, depending on whether or not it's been qualified by the FAA and listed in a pilot training program. If it is in fact qualified as a FTD, you can log "synthetic trainer" time in it provided an instructor endorses your logbook for instruction given. It is not flight time nor is it PIC time.

 

[The FNG]

How about Microsoft Combat Sim? I "flew" 1.7 today and splashed a bunch of Jerrys. One time my goggles even fogged up and the orange Cheetos grease from my fingers got on the lenses. I even almost got vertigo but thankfully I've got a bunch of time in the Spitfire so I just went with my instincts. (I'll count that part as Instrument Time for sure). I think the swastikas in my remarks column will surely impress the interviewers.

 

[gundriver]

Now that is Funny!!!

 

[Timebuilder]

Thanks, FNG. I needed that laugh.

Seriously, it is very likely that the AST 300 is a qualified FTD, and it's use should be logged as 1) simulator time 2) simulated instrument time...WHEN an authorized instructor endorses your logbook for the time you spent manipulating the controls. I know of no right seat or sic time in a sim, except that required by a course for CRM training for a specific type.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

A Question

This question is for THE FNG:

I have the old version of microsoft flight sim and was wondering if the approaches I fly on there are legal for me to remain current? I make the approaches hard too. I set them so I break out right at mins everytime. I usually fly the 747-400 when Im doing this, can I log this as multi-engine turbine PIC? Im just trying to meet the mins for FedEx.

 

[Timebuilder]

Regardless of the difficulty of the approach used, the legality of logging simulator time for currency is determined by the PCATD and the software in question.

Examples of legal PCATD's are the Elite and Jeppessen systems. I know of NO version of MS flight simulator that meets the FAR requirements for a "PCATD".

In all cases, an authorized instructor must sign your logbook for each session of simulator flying to be used for instrument currency.

 

[tdvalve]

Timebuilder:

I think B-J-J Fighter was just doing a little spoofing.

 

[Timebuilder]

You're probably right.

I just didn't want others to see his post and get "creative" with their logging of sim time.

One man's joke could lead to another's "blown" interview.

 

[FLpilot2002]

Getting close...Don't confuse the terminology. The AST is NOT a simulator as recorded on the 8710. It is a Training Device. It most definetly is NOT PIC and NOT Flight Time. I have seen both Left and Right seat time recorded when it is also recorded as dual. (ie CRM training) Still not the complete answer..sorry

 

[Timebuilder]

While it is true that the Hawk is a FTD, or flight training device, and not a simulator, its legal use DOES produce "simulated instrument time", and that time should be properly recorded for logbooks and faa forms, as such. It does not produce SEL, MEL, PIC, SIC, or any kind of "pilot" or "flight" time.

 

[dogg]

Buckman,
Do your self a favor. Put all the time that you fly any ftd or simulator in the simulator column of your logbook. Do not add any of it to any total such as PIC, SIC, instrument, dual given or total time. You might as well start right. Remember, it does not matter what the FAA says is legal, no future employer wants to see FTD or sim time added to your totals. That is not to say that they do not care about sim time and if you have good record of it ie time , place, type and instructor signature that looks impressive and tells a future employer that you can train successfully in a simulator. Good luck