logging sim time

[epic!]

While preparing for my inst. check ride I used a sim. does it count towards my total time? or just sim inst. and dual?

 

[pilotpat]

Just sim/dual. Unless it was a full motion Level D under Part 142, then you can log up to 100 hours towards a certificate.

 

[epic!]

appreciate it. thats what i thought, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt being shafted on any TT

 

[pilotpat]

i just wanted to make sure i wasnt being shafted on any TT

I fully understand...you're good on TT, but I hate getting shafted on rental rates!! Good luck on your checkride.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Just sim/dual. Unless it was a full motion Level D under Part 142, then you can log up to 100 hours towards a certificate.

I'm not even sure even then. Just about all FAA certificates and ratings permit a certain amount of sim/FTD time to be =credited toward= flight time requirements. It doesn't morph non-"flight time" into "flight time."

FWIW, my FAQ, May I Log Sim Time as "Total Time"?
http://www.midlifeflight.com/faq/faq.php?s=2#12

 

[pilotpat]

Sorry...I guess I didn't clarify that enough. No amount of simulator time can be listed as Flight Time. It can only be credited toward the time needed for certain certificates.

 

[Way2Broke]

If you are using towards a certificate (which I did towards my ATP, because at the time I needed it for the TT) what column in the logbook would thiis go under.

Here is what I did and some problems that I am currently facing with my logbook...........

When I first did 121 sim time I did not log it under "Total Duration of Flight"

When I applied for the ATP the examiner wanted to see over 1500 hours in the "Total Duration of Flight" column. I had all the other requirements, but was just shy of the 1500 TT requirement. So what I did was put 23 hours (the amount of sim time that I had) and put in the notes "correction per 61.159(a)5, Far 142.1, and Far 121.400" This gave me over the 1500 required for the ATP.

Now here is my situation, I don't like having that 23 hours in the "Total duration of flight" column because I honestly don't think it belongs there. But where do I show that I used it towards the ATP requirements? How would you fix this?

Also, I just completed my second block of sim time (around 23 hours or so). It was a level D under part 121. How would you log it? Obviously under sim time and dual received, but anything else? I have every rating and do not need it for any rating anymore.


Finally, I have some old Frasca sim time logged. At the moment it was logged only as dual received, and sim time. The problem I have with this
is that I would like to show how much full motion sim time I have as apposed to Frasca time. How would you fix this problem?

AvBug? Bueller bueller?

 

[JECKEL]

Can simulator time be counted as HOOD TIME/ SIMULATED INTRUMENT?

Knowing that it can not be counted as actual, but can be counted as HOOD with the time being credited towards SIM and not TOTAL TIME?

 

[avbug]

While simulator time can be counted toward a certificate or rating, as spelled out in the regulation pertinent to a particular level of certification...it's not flight time. Simulator time doesn't meet the definition of flight time, and shouldn't be logged as flight time, nor is there any provision in the regulation to log it as flight time.

If you need 1,500 hours of flight time, but have 1475 yours of flight time and 25 hours of creditable simulator time, then you can show 1475 hours of flight time and 25 hours of simulator time. Not 1,500 hours of flight time.

The FAA doesn't care if your instrument experience was in a simulator, in actual isntrument conditions, or simulated instrument conditions. You can log it as dual received if you like, for the simulator portion. I don't. Any simulator time for me shows up as only as simulator time; it's not logged in any other column; the columns in my log use dual plus PIC plus SIC to equal total time.

Simulator time isn't hood time (simulated instrument). It's simulator or flight training device time (FTD). According to 14 CFR 61.51(g), you may only log instrument time only for that flight time when you operate the aircraft solely by reference to instruments under actual or simulated instrument flight conditions, and a flight instructor may only log instrument time when conducting instrument flight instruction in actual instrument flight conditions.

If you need to show that sim time as part of the requirements to meet the ATP, then on your form 8710, list the 1475 hours under total time, and the 25 hours as instruction received in the simulator portion of the Record of Pilot Time. This isn't flight time, and shouldn't be included there that way...it's simulator time, and when considered on the 8710 (application for Airman Certificate or Rating), it adds to the total 1,500 hours. The examiner should know this.

The instructions for the form state: "The minimum pilot experience required by the appropriate regulation must be entered. It is recommended, however, that ALL pilot time be entered. If decimal points are used, be sure they are legible. Night flying must be entered when required. You should fill in the blocks that apply and ignore the blocks that do not. Second In Command “SIC” time used may be entered in the appropriate blocks. Flight Simulator, Flight Training Device and PCATD time may be entered in the boxes provided. Total, Instruction received, and Instrument Time should be entered in the top, middle, or bottom of the boxes provided as appropriate."

For the ATP, up to 100 hours of sim time may be counted toward the total requirements, and up to 50 hours of sim time may be counted toward the isntrument time requirements.

 

[Black Hawk]

Good post Avbug! Just to add; In the job hunting arena pilots don't look good if they credit sim time as flight time. It's a better move to just put sim time in the sim column. That sim time in the flight time column probably won't help someone get the job but could hurt depending on who's looking at the logbook.

 

[nosehair]

When I applied for the ATP the examiner wanted to see over 1500 hours in the "Total Duration of Flight" column.

...another bad examiner...