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PA44Jockey

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I have a questions about how you log your time.

Does everyone log the PIC's name in their logbook when logging SIC? I never did this and now I am stuck wondering who I flew with. What should I do?
 
PA44Jockey said:
I asked an examiner about logging fight time and he says that he goes by what (United Airlines) likes to see which is daily logs with N numbers, times, approaches and who you flew with.
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Who cares what that guy thinks? Unless he can come up with a reg which requires this, it is a waste of time. There are people who make one logbook entry per month, and include their entire month's hours on one line. As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with this.

-Why would the examiner possibly care? Sounds like he is simply being a weenie.
 
Next question is in regards to training events in the SIM. I don't even log SIM time, because I think it's pretty much useless. However, my last SIM check is proof of a BFR so is it sufficient to say that it's on file at my previous airline, or must it be in the logbook?
 
As far as the letter of the law, I think you'll need to hold on to your training records or your log your sim time in the logbook, but both is not required. Your copy of your training records would suffice proof of doing a BFR.
 
bsh932 said:
For those of you that fly the CRJ, what do you list for aircraft type?...
Cl-65 or CRJ 200, CRJ 700, etc. ?
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Mine is listed as "the 9"
 
I use "EB" indicating it is an Eapulets Backwards aircraft. The only confusion would be if I flew the Space Shuttle because I am sure the astronauts do that as well -- but since the program is winding down I am not too concerned.
 
Sandhawk said:
Why not just put RJ POS - is there really any difference between the 200/700/900 ???

Well, other than you can wear your epaulets upside down if you fly the "-9"

:laugh:
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Wow, aren't you witty! You managed to use all those catchy cliches in your profile and your post. +1.
 
I put who I flew the trip with in the remarks section. Makes recalling tell me a time when stuff much easier!
 
Why are you keeping a log of your flight time? I'm guessing it's because you might need to substantiate your flight time to get an ATP, type rating, or a job. I would keep a log that is consistent with the FARs and has columns appropriate for the jobs you seek. I have a column for turbine PIC. Obviously the FAA doesn't require me to log that time, but I knew ever prospective job would want to know how much I had. Thinking about applying to Emirates? They want to know how much time you have in aircraft that weigh over a certain amount. I know the line is between a CR2 and CR7. I log all my tail numbers. I Thought it might be a waste of time. It turns out, when I was applying to a job overseas, they wanted to know how much time I had I had in each variant, especially the NG. Thinking of applying to Southwest? If you get called in for an interview, they will expect a pile of LORs. When I've had the good fortune to interview at the majors, I've always asked my past captains to write me a letter. Some said, "sure, what were the dates we flew together?"
 
CesnaCaptn said:
When I've had the good fortune to interview at the majors, I've always asked my past captains to write me a letter. Some said, "sure, what were the dates we flew together?"
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I would imagine if you have a buddy that is willing to write you a recoomendation, they would know you pretty good. That's kind of strange for them to ask you when you flew together. Unless you're asking random CAs.
 
CX880 said:
I would imagine if you have a buddy that is willing to write you a recoomendation, they would know you pretty good. That's kind of strange for them to ask you when you flew together. Unless you're asking random CAs.
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When I interviewed at Southwest, I was told by a base chief pilot that he expected to see "15-20 letters from a pilot coming from Skywest." In order to get that many letters, I had to dig pretty deep. Some of the Southwest pilots I got in touch with had been there for a few years. It might have been *****5 years or more since we had flown together. *****Maybe they remember who I was, but they didn't remember actually flying with me. Maybe they wanted to double check their logbook to see if we experienced something significant together. I was at a wedding last summer with a lot of old flying buddies. One of them mentioned the 2 high speed aborts we did on a snowy morning, on a relatively short runway. I remember the aborts vividly, but I forgot who my FO was that day (it took place over 5 years ago). If I was going to write an LOR for this guy, I would want to include details from that day. Also, I was bases at one of the smaller domiciles. We had some pretty good Christmas parties and going away parties. Many of the pilots knew/know each other really well on a personal level. Just because you know someone that well personally, doesn't mean you remember that one flight you did together 3 years ago.*****

When you start applying and interviewing at the majors, I think you might find that you remember some of your captains better than they remember you. It's not uncommon to give a former captain the dates you flew together.*****
 
"CesnaCaptn;When I interviewed at Southwest, I was told by a base chief pilot that he expected to see "15-20 letters from a pilot coming from Skywest." "

not quite sure what you are saying here. are you saying one guy or you had or was told to get 15 to 20 recommendations? that seems a little overkill.
 
LearLove said:
"CesnaCaptn;When I interviewed at Southwest, I was told by a base chief pilot that he expected to see "15-20 letters from a pilot coming from Skywest." "

not quite sure what you are saying here. are you saying one guy or you had or was told to get 15 to 20 recommendations? that seems a little overkill.
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If I understand your question, yes. I was told that I should have 10+ LORs. Maybe I misunderstood. In the end I only had around 5. Maybe the chief new I would need all those letters to overcome all of my skeletons.
 
CesnaCaptn said:
If I understand your question, yes. I was told that I should have 10+ LORs. Maybe I misunderstood. In the end I only had around 5. Maybe the chief new I would need all those letters to overcome all of my skeletons.
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New. Past tense of now. Nowledge.


or


Knew. Past tense of know. Knowledge.





eP.
 
CesnaCaptn said:
If I understand your question, yes. I was told that I should have 10+ LORs. Maybe I misunderstood. In the end I only had around 5. Maybe the chief new I would need all those letters to overcome all of my skeletons.
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10+ LORs?? Who has time to read new hire LORs? 10x 5000 applicants = 50,000 letters to read. I think your mistaken
 

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