Logging Level D Sim Time

[flyf15]

Hey guys, quick question....

How should Level D simulator time in a transport category turbojet aircraft be logged? ie: What categories in the logbook? Does it go under total time, multiengine, etc..?

Thanks much

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

All sim time should be logged as sim time. You can log it under total flight time/multi engine time...it's your log book. If you ever have to show your log book at an airline interview, it'll be scrutinized. My two cents worth is NEVER include sim time under flight time, multi-engine...or any other time except sim time.
Create a separate column if you like and specify the type of sim (B-767, etc...) but it's only sim time.

 

[midlifeflyer]

You can log it under total flight time/multi engine time...it's your log book.

FAR fallacy No.1. Yes, it's "your logbook." But that only means that if you log time in a column that it doesn't qualify for under the FAR without some limiting language, "you" get to be the one charged with intentional logbook falsification.

Like all FAA logging rules, this one starts with FAR 61.51. If you go thorough it, you'll see that, subject to the sim's certification, sim time is sim time, simulated instrument time*, training received time, and, in a move away from 61.51 to the landing and ifr currency regs, may be qualified to count for landings and instrument approaches.

The one thing it is not is any time entry that involves "flight" time or time in make, model, or type of "aircraft" (you can look up those two definitions in FAR 1.1 to see why)

The * - technically instrument time in a sim is "simulated instrument time." A lot of folks reserve the simulated instrument time column in their logbooks for simulated instrument =flight= time. Not a rule, but convenient since the 8170 applications separate flight time from sim time anyway.

PS - that avatar is hysterical. I did a double-take!

 

[xcr600]

Just dont put it in anything but sim and you will be fine

I just wanted to be the 3rd person to tell you that

 

[Way2Broke]

I disagree. It all depends on what you plan on using it for and where you got the sim time. For example, if you look at 61.159 which details the time required to get an ATP it clearly states that you can log 50 hours of instrument time from sims done under part 142 (flight safety) towards the instrument time required for an ATP, furthermore if you continue to read down to 61.159 (a) (5) states that you can log not more than 100 hours of total aeronautical expereince required towards the 1500 PIC, 500 CC, 100 hours night, etc. etc. The key here is that it must be preformed part 142 which means at a flight safety type school. If you are really interested in reading up more on this refer to the following regs.... 61.159 (a) (5), 142.1 and 121.400. I ran this one past the FSDO and they agreed with me. I really wish the FAA would put out a letter regarding this confusing reg.

 

[coloneldan]

I ran this one past the FSDO and they agreed with me.

The only thing to be careful of, if the FSDO didn't get it from legal in Washington, AND you didn't get a copy of it in writing, they can crawfish. I can't tell you how many times I've heard of one FSDO saying one thing and the next one, even in the same district saying exactly the opposite. You may be right, I don't know, just CYA.

As for me, I'm just a big chicken. (That may explain all these feathers.) I just log it under "Link or Flight Sim" and the number of approaches.

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[Way2Broke]

The only thing to be careful of, if the FSDO didn't get it from legal in Washington, AND you didn't get a copy of it in writing, they can crawfish. I can't tell you how many times I've heard of one FSDO saying one thing and the next one, even in the same district saying exactly the opposite. You may be right, I don't know, just CYA.

As for me, I'm just a big chicken. (That may explain all these feathers.) I just log it under "Link or Flight Sim" and the number of approaches.

Bwaaaaack Bwaaaaack Bwaaaack

One of these days the Feds will speak with one voice.

 

[Ultraman]

One of these days the Feds will speak with one voice.

and on the same day pigs will fly out of my butt.

 

[Way2Broke]

and on the same day pigs will fly out of my butt.

Havn't you ever been to STL, there have been pigs flying out of places that smell like butt for years now.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I disagree. It all depends on what you plan on using it for and where you got the sim time. For example, if you look at 61.159 which details the time required to get an ATP it clearly states that you can log 50 hours of instrument time from sims done under part 142 (flight safety) towards the instrument time required for an ATP, .

True. And there's a bunch of that in other training areas as well. Under 61 and 141 Sim or FTD time toward instrument rating requirements, commercial requirements, even private pilot requirements. Heck, a PCATD that doesn't even quality as the lowest level FTD can be used to meet some instrument requirements, even though it counts for absolutely nothing else, not even sim time. Then there's the dual while performing PIC functions that's permitted for the commercial multi.

But all of these involve =using= something for =count for= something else. It doesn't make it into that something else. Using a kitchen knife as a screwdriver doesn't make it into a screwdriver; it's still a knife. The use of sim time "toward" a flight time requirement doesn't make it countable as "flight time" for any other purpose. That "fake" multi solo is a dual flight that you point to to show that you met a requirement; it's not solo and it's not PIC.

Part of the reason for the columns in a logbook is to make those "totals in pencil" easier to total. I guess if you =really= want to stick it in the column it's okay, so long as you never add it into the column's totals.