Limitations on the Use of Automation at Your Company

[CX880]

E=MC2. Physics is a against you. Remove the physics and it will work, I think they're working on this over at area 51 so hold on tight.

 

[sayrejm]

I love how you start with, "I have a Masters in Aero Space engineering whatever" and said the plane won't fly.

Then you post a novel and talk yourself into the plane will fly as the tread mill would have to go soooo fast as to cause axle or tire failure to hold it still.

Glad to see your super duper masters degree in aero lift theory flux design didn't give you the education that you just gave yourself in just one post on FlightInfo.

no, your right... i responded too fast without thinking about it enough. usually when you do that you say something wrong. it isn't beyond me to admit that. sometimes when you are a show off you wind up tasting your shoe. yummmmm

 

[buscap]

Boobs!!

Really really nice boobs.

 

[Mr Wu]

Boobs!!

Really really nice boobs.

Are you serious? Her boob job is worse than Tori Spelling's.

http://famousplastic.com/2009/01/24/tori-spellings-boob-job/

 

[Salukipilot4590]

yummmmm

WTF did that chick do to her chest?!?!!?!?!

32AA would have looked better than that!


You know what....after seeing those I think I might just head up to WeHo for the night. Damn.

 

[atlcrashpad]

I heard that military pilots are better than civilians.

is dat just civilians or civilian pilots? cause they are better than just civilians...... bouyyyyyyyyyyyyy

 

[homerjdispatch]

This thread sucks... it sucks bad.

you know what else sucks?


MESA!

 

[sayrejm]

apparently Mr. Wu's Avatar too.

 

[OPECJet]

Yeah, but she's an Auburn girl. That spells perfection, boob job or otherwise.

Except for the fact that she probably has an opinion about everything....

 

[AvroJockey]

In light of the discussion in another thread about pilots rejecting an aircraft due to automation being MELd.

What are the limitations on the Use of Automation at your company?

Piedmont

-Flight Director must be used for the takeoff segment (up to 1500ft AGL)

-Autopilot cannot be engaged below 1500ft AGL on takeoff

-Autopilot must be disconnected below 200ft AGL on approach

-Flight Director altitude capture must always be armed when changing altitudes. (the pitch command bar will appear when you need to level off. Once level, it can be cleared)

Automation dependency is a serious topic. You need to watch AA's "Children of the Magenta" because I would bet half of you couldn't fly an ILS in a C172 with steam gauges any more. I've witnessed plenty of crappy ILSs on the peanut gauges to know this.

Give the guy a break, this is a legitimate thread.

 

[Mud Eagle]

You need to watch AA's "Children of the Magenta" because I would bet half of you couldn't fly an ILS in a C172 with steam gauges any more.

Is there a digital copy of "Automation Dependency" floating around the internet anywhere?

Google has failed to yield anything under "Automation Dependency", "Warren Vanderberg", or "Children of the Magenta".

 

[wmuflyguy]

I think I effectively killed this thread. I am so proud of myself!

By trying to prove a experiment that has no basis in reality (you can never get a treadmill to keep the a/c stationary, wheels don't accelerate the plane). Congrats, first rounds on me.

 

[sayrejm]

By trying to prove a experiment that has no basis in reality (you can never get a treadmill to keep the a/c stationary, wheels don't accelerate the plane). Congrats, first rounds on me.

That assumes that the bearings in wheels are 100% frictionless (ie: put the plane on a jack and then give the wheel a spin and they never stop spinning after that. remember: an object in motion stays in motion....)

They will soon stop spinning because of friction in the wheel assembly. What I do not know without a controlled experiment to find out is how that force varies with the angular velocity of the wheels.

In other words: How fast do the wheels have to spin to create a force equal to the force of the propeller, and is this angular velocity of the wheels realistically obtainable.

 

[glasspilot]

You will hit max tire speed WAY before you get anywhere close to enough friction to hold the plane still (slack the rope in your experiment).

Once the tire flies apart the friction goes way up so it wouldn't be too hard to prove the plane won't fly as double tire speed at rotation for every plane over 10,000 lbs I've flown would be well over the limit. Most tires max out at 150 to 180 kts. If rotation is 120 then double is 240 and the tires blow.

With that said, that's not really the point. The plane on a conveyor myth is to point out that the conveyor does not hold the plane still. Most people lose sight of the fact that the prop pulls on the air to move the plane and the tire/conveyor contact is meaningless.

Take tires and axles out of it and use skies on a moving sheet of ice and you see my point.

 

[sayrejm]

hey that's a good example...