Likelihood of NetJets Going Back To Gateways?

[Boondock Saint]

I have been really excited about working towards a shot at achieving a pilot slow with NJ and am thrilled that things came out pretty positive in the TA...however...one of the things that really pleased me about the place was the opportunity for me to live back home. Obviously that is no longer a possibility.

What are the odds they will go back to the Gateway system for new hires?

 

[Nightmare67]

Dont hold your breath!

Sorry to be blunt, but, the company really thinks that having pilots at domiliciles is the economic answer to their prayers! So much so, that they will pay pilots to move to a domicile and pay their parking!

If you want to work here, take the interview, then see if you can make a deal. If not, you haven't lost anything. Consider a move for a few years...It may pay off if this place turns out to be the real deal pilot career. DONT let the company pay for your move! once you let them...you will never have access to the home based airport deal.

Good luck

 

[ghostrider64]

If the numbers of prospective pilots who turn down offers based on domiciles increases to a point that they really can't fill slots you could see them expanding gateways as they did from the Original Dallas gateway. It's always in the numbers.

 

[Pervis]

Change is inevitable, but way too early to tell when it'll happen. Even when company realizes the error of their ways, it'll take months for anyone to admit they made a mistake. All to our advantage though. When management comes crying uncle for a change to this rediculous policy, it'll cost them. No one gets something for nothing, as we have all learned in the last four years. 1108 knows how to play that game too.

That said, how many of those in the 121 carriers get to live where they want without commuting? All have limits, although jump seat priviledges help. You still go to and from work on your time and dime though. It's a gamble, but for those offered a position at NJA, I'd take the gamble and get in while the gettin's good.

 

[miles otoole]

Change is inevitable, but way too early to tell when it'll happen. Even when company realizes the error of their ways, it'll take months for anyone to admit they made a mistake. All to our advantage though. When management comes crying uncle for a change to this rediculous policy, it'll cost them. No one gets something for nothing, as we have all learned in the last four years. 1108 knows how to play that game too.
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Just curious, what would you give up to get the gateways back? Money, schedule, healthcare? As you said, you don't get something for nothing.

 

[Twotter76]

Perhaps you don't understand - those of us at NJA now are grandfathered and allowed to use HBA (homebasing) so we dont use gateways - instead we live at home. New hires are using the 5 gateways (domiciles, whatever you want to call them) of LAX, PBI, TEB, DAL, and CMH. The line of thinking here is that the company will be unable to staff properly under this limited basing scheme and will come to us and say "we need to change the contract". To which the union will hopefully reply "sure! What are you going to give us to agree to it?". That make more sense?

 

[ce750drvr]

Just curious, what would you give up to get the gateways back? Money, schedule, healthcare? As you said, you don't get something for nothing.

Uh, it's the other way around. They will need the relief, not us. The question is "what do WE want"?

 

[Willy21]

Are newhires assigned gateways or do they pick between LAX, PBI, TEB, DAL and CMH?

 

[HAZ-MAT]

We were told in our interview that for the first 6 months the company will allow new hires to choose your Domicile. Once they start to fill up then they will begin assigning you to one of the five.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

We were told in our interview that for the first 6 months the company will allow new hires to choose your Domicile. Once they start to fill up then they will begin assigning you to one of the five.

This is going to be verrrrrry interesting.

 

[Insatiable]

How close to your assigned domicile do you need to live?

 

[Pervis]

How close to your assigned domicile do you need to live?

You just need to be there at your assigned show time. As it stands now, company will send you a brief via Blackberry the day before, and if you don't hear from them by 1900 local that evening, you call them. Generally, the next day's schedule is done early afternoon EST/EDT time the day before, and once briefed, they can't give you an earlier show, which is a big advantage for commuters.

For another response to my post, I will not concede anything for something the company will desperately need. No way they will find several thousand qualified pilots living in or willing to move to the limited domiciles provided post ratification. That's why we believe they will come to us asking for relief. We'll give it, but it will cost them, not us.

 

[psysicx]

What if you go to NJI from NJA can you live anywhere since they don't have certain bases?

 

[Guitar Guy]

What if you go to NJI from NJA can you live anywhere since they don't have certain bases?

Depends on how one "goes" to NJI from NJA. Someone who quits NJA and is hired by NJI would be covered by NJI work rules, hence one could fly from anywhere NJI management would allow. However if one is going to NJI via the new contract (and thus remaining an NJA pilot), then they would be covered by the NJA contract. That means one could be home-based (assuming one was on property prior to ratificiation) or in a domicile (assuming that person was hired post-ratification).

 

[otto feather]

Pervis and ce750drvr,
It wont cost NJA anything to extend HBA to any pilot who joins the seniority list after 21 Nov 2005. Sect 13.1 (b) say the company MAY limit participation to 30%. Sorry.

 

[ce750drvr]

Pervis and ce750drvr,
It wont cost NJA anything to extend HBA to any pilot who joins the seniority list after 21 Nov 2005. Sect 13.1 (b) say the company MAY limit participation to 30%. Sorry.

Yeah, I thought that is what it said. I was just hoping the last sentence in 13.1 (b) allowed them to go over 30 % but only by those grandfathered in. Either way, you are correct.

 

[acaTerry]

As I read the CBA (hopefully correct), the 30% is above and beyond those grandfathered....IOW, grandfathered pilots are "immune" to domiciles regardless of the 30% rule.

 

[Going2Golf]

Thats the way I read it too Terry.
The only way that we, as Grandfathered Pilots, could loose HBA, is that if at some point in time in the future we moved to one of the Company approved Domiciles and accecpted funds to offset the costs of moving. If you do that then you loose any right for future HBA.
If I was a new hire coming to NJA, something I would ask, is that if I accecpt money to move to a Domicile, does that remove me from ever being elgible for HBA in the future.
Sorry that you are still not a "blueridger" these days Terry? Heard all the BS that's going on over there? Its still the Tom&Kerry show that they don't want to let go of the remote and let someone else control it....Might be the end of it before the end of the year.

 

[jcbfly]

Just want to be sure here... What does the "30% participation" relate to? Does that leave room for NJA to only assign domiciles to 30% of the newhires that may not live near a 'good' airport? And if so does that allow for the remaining newbies to have homebasing or to even work thru the old gateways?

Is there anyone reading that has interviewed since 11/21 and if so did NJA assign a domicile with the offer?

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Is there anyone reading that has interviewed since 11/21 and if so did NJA assign a domicile with the offer?

In the interview they asked what my 1st choice would be for a Domicile and what my 2nd choice would be. When they offered me the job, the person asked which one I wanted. My 1st choice was PBI and I was asked on the phone if PBI was still my 1st choice. I said yes. My domicile will be PBI.
It looks like that is how it'll run for the next 6 months. They'll ask you what you're two top choices are and if you get an offer of employment you can get your first choice.