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[hawkerjet]

I've got a friend who just got her private pilot license and we have a little wager going on the interpretation of a regulation. She made the bet before I could get to a FAR/AIM to prove her wrong. Could the kind gentlemen/ladies of Flight Info please inform her of the correct answer as she doesn't believe me and we aren't close to a FAR/AIM book. Here Goes..... If a pilot gets a First class medical on 28JAN05 and is flying as a Captain for a part 135 company, does he/she have until the end of June 05 or July05 to get another medical to continue to fly as a Captain for a part 135 company.
Guys and Gals, note this pertains to part 135, I know a first class is good for a year part 91 but that is not what we were discussing.
I know this sounds a little petty, but a little humble pie is in order.
Thanx....

 

[NYRANGERS]

July

 

[TonyC]

If you can log on to FlightInfo, you can get to the FARs.


Federal Aviation Regulations



(If you lose the link, Google "FARs".)






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[Andy Neill]

...and which side of the argument did YOU take?

 

[Hung Start]

What if not flying jet pax? Freight can go a year, and most turbo prop and pistons can go for a year. Otherwise it would be July if required.

 

[Flechas]

I know a first class is good for a year part 91.

First class medical priviligies are good for 6 months only, be it 91, 135, or 121.

 

[kingairyahoo]

EDIT...nevermind, i read too far into the situation

 

[flx757]

A First Class Medical is required when excercising the privileges of an ATP. If the "135 Captain" position of which you speak requires an ATP, then the answer is July. If not, then the answer is Jan.

So for the question to be accurately answered, you must first determine is an ATP required:

Sec. 135.243
Pilot in command qualifications.

(a) No certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command in passenger-carrying operations--
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

 

[coonass one]

hawkerjet,

You had me worried, because I fly as captain on the e120, and we go for 12 months before we renew the first class (part 135), so I looked it up.

It depends on the operation, and type of aircraft you are flying, as to the duration of the first class. Not the FAR you operate under. The reg is 61.23, and it states that the first class is good for six months for operations requiring an ATP certificate, and for twelve months for operations requiring a commercial pilot certificate.

Under part 135, (135.243) an ATP is only required in certain passenger carrying operations. So if you haul 135 freight, it is good for a year.

But, your company's ops specs might require the ATP in all of the company's type of operations as well. Better check that too (in addition to the basic 135 regs), because the feds will sometimes attach additional requirements to them.

You had me worried there for a minute. Hope this helps.

 

[cvsfly]

What aircraft? Turbo-jet? More than 10 pax seats? The medical certificate itself does not differentiate between Part 91 or 135. A Class I will always be valid for calendar 6 mo. for use in operations requiring an ATP (135.243, etc). After 6 mo. it is still valid for ops requiring a Commercial up to 12 mo, etc. The Class doesn't change, just the priveledges for use. 61.23 "...end of last day of...6 th. mo. after the month of the date of examination.."

 

[cvsfly]

.. 61.23 "...end of last day of...6 th. mo. after the month of the date of examination.."

Just to be clear on language, since the answer seams to be July. I have gotten in the habit of renewing same time every year and some logbook programs will calculate it for June. A 28 Jan 05 issue date - start counting from FEB as month 1 to end of 6th mo. = JUL.

 

[hawkerjet]

I can see i did not give enough info and i apologize for that, we have resolved this issue and for the curious it was a 135 jet pilot flying pax. i see that in the heat of the moment i left out enough info for the guru's on this site. sorry about that, i was not trying to trick or deceive, just making a point. we were merely talking about my upcoming medical when a friend( fresh private pilot license) told me something alarming. she wouldn't listen to me so i posted it here to get a quicker answer. By the way she thought I wouldn't need a new medical until next January, which would be ok for a part 91 gig only requiring a second class.

I did learn one thing from this post too. I never realized that the regs were on the web. i thought that the FAR post was just to ask questions on this forum. ( which is where this question should have been asked, sorry) anyway than again

 

[Yellow Snow]

A first class is only good for six months period. The reason you guys go to a year when not carrying passengers is because you are exercising the priveledges of a second class for the second six months. A first is only for SIX months

 

[coonass one]

A first class is only good for six months period. The reason you guys go to a year when not carrying passengers is because you are exercising the priveledges of a second class for the second six months. A first is only for SIX months

Any medical certificate you get is "good" for 36 months if you are less than 40, and 24 months if you are older than 40, period. You can only use the first class for 6 months if your operation requires an ATP, and you are sitting in the captain seat. Likewise, you can only use the first class for 12 months if your operation requires a commercial (regardless of seat position). We are required to have an ATP in the E120 for insurance purposes only (company requirement, not FAR requirement). So, we can go for a year on the first class. The medical is what it is, and that is a first class medical, no matter if it is 3 months old or 20 months old.

 

[CFIcare]

July. You don't count the month you got the medical in. This is true for 1st class only. For 2nd class it's best to get it the early in the month of possible. Jan 1st medical=Jan 31st due for second class, due July 30 for 1st class. Clear as mud, right?